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Message 111404 - Posted: 14 Nov 2017 | 12:44:37 UTC
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Effective January 1st, 2018, we will be changing the criteria for determining which prime discoveries get announced with news notification alerts, PDF documents, and inclusion on the front page and wiki.

Over the years, finding large primes has become easier and easier, and what was once a rare and special event is now business as usual. We want announcements to be special occurrences and not something that most people ignore. The big change is that merely being a mega prime is no longer sufficient to warrant an announcement. Being one of the top 100 largest known primes is the new criteria. This has the advantage of scaling automatically as computing power increases. If we changed the criteria to, say, 1.5 million digits, we'd probably be facing the same problem 5 years from now.

We will be making the following changes:


  • The main criteria for determining what gets an announcement will be inclusion in the top 100 primes. As of right now, that means at least 1,379,838 digits, but this number will go up over time.

  • In practical terms, this means PPS-MEGA and GFN-17-MEGA will no longer get announcements. Down the road, GFN-18 and SR5 may also drop below the threshold.

  • Primes that do not make the Top 100 may still be announced if they are special for some other reason, at PrimeGrid's discretion. Twin primes from SGS would still get announced, for example.

  • This affects the news announcements that get sent to the Notifications section of BOINC clients, the PrimeGrid Wiki, and both lists of significant primes on the home page.

  • The automatic list of all recent primes in the rightmost column on the home page, which lists every new prime, will not change.

  • Conjecture pages will still list every prime that eliminates a k, even if the prime doesn't get announced. Currently all conjectures produce primes in the top 100.

  • AP26 discoveries will no longer be announced, or included on the front page, but they will continue to listed on the forums.

  • Should we be fortunate enough to find an AP27, there will be a full announcement. I.e., the announcement policy for AP27 is unchanged.

  • The policy concerning AP25 discoveries is under review. Currently, it gets a forum post, only.

  • The forum pages that list all the GFN primes are unaffected by this change.


Note that the effective date applies to the date of discovery, not when the announcement would be done. A prime found on December 31st but reported in January would be treated under the old rules.
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Message 111413 - Posted: 14 Nov 2017 | 15:00:56 UTC

I think, Primegrid need "month total announcement" in which you can write.
" In this month we found b SGS primes : link to forum thread with small announcements, like for GFN currently
c Proth primes : link to forum thread
d GFN primes : link to forum thread
e AP : link to forum thread
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Or we find primes too often?
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Message 111415 - Posted: 14 Nov 2017 | 15:18:42 UTC - in response to Message 111413.

I think, Primegrid need "month total announcement" in which you can write.
" In this month we found b SGS primes : link to forum thread with small announcements, like for GFN currently
c Proth primes : link to forum thread
d GFN primes : link to forum thread
e AP : link to forum thread
..."
Or we find primes too often?


I do not plan on doing this since anybody can go to our prime lists and see what's been found recently.

But here the numbers for the past 31 days (this is a one time thing):

+---------+----------+ | project | count(*) | +---------+----------+ | GFN | 51 | | MEG | 5 | | PPS | 10 | | SGS | 21 | +---------+----------+


GFN includes all GFN primes. MEG is PPS-MEGA. PPS is both PPS and PPSE.

Here's just mega primes:

+---------+----------+ | project | count(*) | +---------+----------+ | GFN | 1 | | MEG | 5 | +---------+----------+


Here's primes that would be announced under the 2018 policy:

+---------+----------+ | project | count(*) | +---------+----------+ | GFN | 1 | +---------+----------+

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Message 111416 - Posted: 14 Nov 2017 | 15:56:38 UTC

Similar numbers for all primes since January 1st, 2017:

All primes:

+---------+----------+ | project | count(*) | +---------+----------+ | GCW | 1 | | GFN | 354 | | MEG | 33 | | PPS | 339 | | PSP | 1 | | SGS | 533 | | SR5 | 2 | +---------+----------+


Mega primes:
+---------+----------+ | project | count(*) | +---------+----------+ | GCW | 1 | | GFN | 18 | | MEG | 33 | | PSP | 1 | | SR5 | 2 | +---------+----------+


Announceable under 2018 rules:
+---------+----------+ | project | count(*) | +---------+----------+ | GCW | 1 | | GFN | 6 | | PSP | 1 | | SR5 | 2 | +---------+----------+

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Message 111421 - Posted: 14 Nov 2017 | 19:33:22 UTC

When there will be a sum up of discovered primes per project and month/year, an additional column with the range (min/max) of the numbers would be interesting.

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Message 111449 - Posted: 15 Nov 2017 | 3:27:02 UTC

I like it, I think AP 25's are still rare enough to remain under current policy. However I agree with the changes.

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Message 111451 - Posted: 15 Nov 2017 | 7:47:30 UTC - in response to Message 111449.

2 thoughts:

- "Mega Primes Discovered" could be part of your announcement when it will reach a modulo 100 miletone (it should be one by year)

- Add a new counter : "Top 100 Mega Primes Discovered" on the main page and add an announcement for %10 (?)



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Message 111455 - Posted: 15 Nov 2017 | 9:30:18 UTC

at least include a monthly update for the rest of discoveries. this way i have nothing to hope for. at least whenever i see an update i always wonder if it's me. :-D

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Message 111458 - Posted: 15 Nov 2017 | 12:21:46 UTC - in response to Message 111455.

at least include a monthly update for the rest of discoveries. this way i have nothing to hope for. at least whenever i see an update i always wonder if it's me. :-D


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Message 111490 - Posted: 16 Nov 2017 | 1:37:57 UTC - in response to Message 111404.

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Message 111564 - Posted: 17 Nov 2017 | 8:57:37 UTC

Which sub-projects are good for a prime in the top 100 ?

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Message 111565 - Posted: 17 Nov 2017 | 9:16:03 UTC - in response to Message 111564.
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Which sub-projects are good for a prime in the top 100 ?

See the project front page and left column named Prime Rank.

I would say SR5 be best choice - Top100 and still quite good probability of a prime.
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Message 111566 - Posted: 17 Nov 2017 | 9:32:07 UTC

And GFN 18 on GPUs
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Message 111701 - Posted: 19 Nov 2017 | 8:26:26 UTC - in response to Message 111415.

I do not plan on doing this since anybody can go to our prime lists and see what's been found recently.

Is there any list that can be filtered or sorted by date of discovery? I thought about doing a monthly prime report containing the missing mega prime information and the numbers of smaller primes found per project myself, but there is no easy way to extract this information from the publicly available sources:
- double checker for PPS mega primes can only be found by carefully monitoring the Top Prime Finders list
- the only good way to get the hardware information for 'small' mega primes is hoping that the finder has only one active machine and has not hidden it
- some projects are not testing the candidates strictly from smallest to largest all the time, making it hard to count them in the Primes by Project list
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Message 111708 - Posted: 19 Nov 2017 | 13:03:16 UTC - in response to Message 111701.

Is there any list that can be filtered or sorted by date of discovery?


This is possible, and something I've thought would be useful. I may add it at some point.

- double checker for PPS mega primes can only be found by carefully monitoring the Top Prime Finders list


This could be done as well.

- the only good way to get the hardware information for 'small' mega primes is hoping that the finder has only one active machine and has not hidden it


Impossible. We don't store that information with the tasks or the primes (and that's not going to change.) Or at least it probably won't change. No promises. Even if we were to make some rather significant changes to retain the hardware information, if there's multiple GPUs in a system, only the fastest GPU gets recorded by BOINC, so what's in the data might not be the GPU that actually did the work. If there's a GPU involved, we need to eyeball the stderr.txt file to look for the output from Genefer where it says what hardware is being used.

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Is there any list that can be filtered or sorted by date of discovery?


This is possible, and something I've thought would be useful. I may add it at some point.


This is now live. Let me know if it's useful, etc.
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