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Good Riddance 2020! Challenge
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Michael Gutierrez Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project scientist
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Welcome to the Good Riddance 2020! Challenge
The first challenge of the 2021 Series will be a 5-day challenge celebrating the end of the abomination which was the year 2020. The challenge will be offered on the PPS-DIV (LLR) application, beginning 14 January 00:00 UTC and ending 18 January 23:59 UTC.
To participate in the Challenge, please select only the Fermat Divisor Search LLR (PPS-DIV) project in your PrimeGrid preferences section.
Note on LLR2 tasks: LLR2 has eliminated the need for a full doublecheck task on each workunit, but has replaced it with a short verification task. Expect to receive a few tasks about 1% of normal length.
Application builds are available for Linux 32 and 64 bit, Windows 32 and 64 bit and MacIntel. Intel and recent AMD CPUs with FMA3 capabilities (Haswell or better for Intel, Zen-2 or better for AMD) will have a very large advantage, and Intel CPUs with dual AVX-512 (certain recent Intel Skylake-X and Xeon CPUs) will be the fastest.
Note that LLR is running the latest AVX-512 version of LLR which takes full advantage of the features of these newer CPUs. It's faster than the previous LLR app and draws more power and produces more heat, especially if they're highly overclocked. If you have certain recent Intel Skylake-X and Xeon CPUs, especially if it's overclocked or has overclocked memory, and haven't run the new AVX-512 LLR before, we strongly suggest running it before the challenge while you are monitoring the temperatures.
ATTENTION: The primality program LLR is CPU intensive; so, it is vital to have a stable system with good cooling. It does not tolerate "even the slightest of errors." Please see this post for more details on how you can "stress test" your computer. Tasks on one CPU core will take about 5 hours on fast/newer computers and 12 hours+ on slower/older computers. If your computer is highly overclocked, please consider "stress testing" it. Sieving is an excellent alternative for computers that are not able to LLR. :)
TL;DR: Please, please, please make sure your machines are up to the task.
Multi-threading is supported and IS recommended.
Those looking to maximize their computer's performance during this challenge, or when running LLR in general, may find this information useful.
- Your mileage may vary. Before the challenge starts, take some time and experiment and see what works best on your computer.
- If you have a CPU with hyperthreading or SMT, either turn off this feature in the BIOS, or set BOINC to use 50% of the processors.
- If you're using a GPU for other tasks, it may be beneficial to leave hyperthreading on in the BIOS and instead tell BOINC to use 50% of the CPU's. This will allow one of the hyperthreads to service the GPU.
- The new multi-threading system is now live. Click here to set the maximum number of threads. This will allow you to select multi-threading from the project preferences web page. No more app_config.xml. It works like this:
- In the preferences selection, there are selections for "max jobs" and "max cpus", similar to the settings in app_config.
- Unlike app_config, these two settings apply to ALL apps. You can't chose 1 thread for SGS and 4 for SoB. When you change apps, you need to change your multithreading settings if you want to run a different number of threads.
- There will be individual settings for each venue (location).
- This will eliminate the problem of BOINC downloading 1 task for every core.
- The hyperthreading control isn't possible at this time.
- The "max cpus" control will only apply to LLR apps. The "max jobs" control applies to all apps.
- If you want to continue to use app_config.xml for LLR tasks, you need to change it if you want it to work. Please see this message for more information.
- Some people have observed that when using multithreaded LLR, hyperthreading is actually beneficial. We encourage you to experiment and see what works best for you.
Time zone converter:
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NOTE: The countdown clock on the front page uses the host computer time. Therefore, if your computer time is off, so will the countdown clock. For precise timing, use the UTC Time in the data section at the very top, above the countdown clock.
Scoring Information
Scores will be kept for individuals and teams. Only tasks issued AFTER 14th January 2021 00:00 UTC and received BEFORE 19th January 2021 00:00 UTC will be considered for credit. We will be using the same scoring method as we currently use for BOINC credits. A quorum of 2 is NOT needed to award Challenge score - i.e. no double checker. Therefore, each returned result will earn a Challenge score. Please note that if the result is eventually declared invalid, the score will be removed.
At the Conclusion of the Challenge
We kindly ask users "moving on" to ABORT their tasks instead of DETACHING, RESETTING, or PAUSING.
ABORTING tasks allows them to be recycled immediately; thus a much faster "clean up" to the end of an LLR Challenge. DETACHING, RESETTING, and PAUSING tasks causes them to remain in limbo until they EXPIRE. Therefore, we must wait until tasks expire to send them out to be completed.
Please consider either completing what's in the queue or ABORTING them. Thank you. :)
About the Fermat Divisor Search
In mathematics a Fermat number, named after Pierre de Fermat who first studied them, is a positive integer of the form Fn = 22n+1, where n is a nonnegative integer.
The first few Fermat numbers are 3, 5, 17, 257, 65537, 4294967297, 18446744073709551617, … (sequence A000215 in the OEIS).
Only five Fermat primes are known, and the Fermat numbers grow so quickly that it may be years before the first undecided case: F33 = 2233+1 is shown prime or composite - unless we luck onto a divisor. Ever since Euler found the first Fermat divisor (divisor of a Fermat composite), factorers have been collecting these rare numbers.
Euler showed that every divisor of Fn (n greater than 2) must have the form k*2n+2+1 for some integer k. For this reason, when we find a large prime of the form k*2n+1 (with k small), we usually check to see if it divides a Fermat number. The probability of the number k*2n+1 dividing any Fermat number appears to be 1/k.
Any prime Generalised Fermat Number Fb,n = b2n+1 (with b an integer greater than one) is called a generalised Fermat prime (because they are Fermat primes in the special case b=2), Ribenboim (1996).
Riesel (1994) further generalised by defining Extended Generalised Fermat Numbers xGFn,a,b = a2n+b2n.
In the Fermat Divisor Search we focus on special k's that are either small (generally gives high chance of dividing a Fermat number) or have special properties that makes them attractive.
First we searched k=19683 up to n=4M, (now complete).
Then we searched five additional k's, 1323 (even n only), 2187 (even n only), 3125, 3267 (even n only) and 3375, up to n=3.322M, (now complete).
Finally, we're currently searching 5<=k<=49 up to n=9M.
See also:
What is LLR?
The Lucas-Lehmer-Riesel (LLR) test is a primality test for numbers of the form N = k*2^n − 1, with 2^n > k. Also, LLR is a program developed by Jean Penne that can run the LLR-tests. It includes the Proth test to perform +1 tests and PRP to test non base 2 numbers. See also:
What is LLR2?
LLR2 is an improvement to the LLR application developed by our very own Pavel Atnashev and stream. It utilizes Gerbicz checks to enable the Fast DoubleCheck feature, which will nearly double the speed of PrimeGrid's progress on the projects it's applied to. For more information, see this forum post.
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I'm looking forward to a new challenge season! I have a new cruncher on the way, this week, to retire a now useless (thanks to practical CPU sieving ending) pair of X5675s and easily outpace the both of them with a single "new" 5960X-and eventually a 22-core E5 2699 v4 :D. Hope it arrives in time to compete!
So I can set my threading optimally(ish), what are the current DIV FFT sizes?
Happy hunting, everybody!
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Shiny new hardware is always nice to have :)
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The largest known prime Fermat divisor is the megaprime 13 * 25523860+1, discovered by PrimeGrid this January, which divides F5523858 = 225523858+1. Will we break this record during the challenge?
Wrong. Likely copy-pasted from last years challenge when it was correct it had recently (19 days before the challenge) been correct. The largest known prime Fermat divisor (frozen archive version) is 7*218233956 + 1 found in October 2020 outside PrimeGrid. It is too huge (exponent near n=18.2M) to be beaten by the PPS-DIV project (sceduled to end at n=9M). /JeppeSN | |
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Shiny new hardware is always nice to have :)
Current PPS-DIV FFT size is 480K
Oh, indeed it is!
Just under 4MB per task then, excellent, thank you.
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I had one computer NZXT8600K, had downloaded 560 or more tasks. oh no Mr.Bill
It is set to 0 and 0 cache.
I did change the i5-8600k 6 core to an i7-9700k 8 core and did not change the app_config to use 4 core per task. It was still set to use 3 so two cores were idle for a while. Fixed.
I don't think that was why it DL all those tasks. I deleted them and will keep an eye on it.
EVGA z370MB, i7-9700k, Corsair vengeance 2x8gb DDR3000, onboard graphics,
BOINC ver 7.14.2 win10 pro 2004.
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Well, I've learned one important lesson from this challenge:
You can't run PG on an overclocked (350W!) 10980XE, 3930k, E3v3 Xeon, their respective high powered GPUs, and a laptop, plus pfsense router, storage server, all the networking gear for the house, 4 stereos (for surround sound!), and the bedrooms' lights off of one 20A, 120V circuit. (No, they were not all in one room.)
Oops.
I have a very old house where the wiring was updated to good, modern stuff in the 90s, but not, apparently, to the (then) standard of one circuit breaker per room.
The straw that broke the camel's back? I turned on the little monitor I use for direct access to the server.
There has been a relocation of hardware. >.<
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and did not change the app_config to use 4 core per task.
You know you can set "Multi-threading: Max # of threads for each task" on https://www.primegrid.com/prefs.php?subset=project as described above? /JeppeSN
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The new multi-threading system is now live. Click here to set the maximum number of threads.
Is the "here" link safe to use, given that it contains a fixed time stamp tnow=1595298865 and some kind of fixed token ttok=78887263307c0cc2e93f633c9a9953d4? And it points to the "home" venue, not to the "primary (default)" venue. /JeppeSN | |
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and did not change the app_config to use 4 core per task.
You know you can set "Multi-threading: Max # of threads for each task" on https://www.primegrid.com/prefs.php?subset=project as described above? /JeppeSN
It was a new OS install too and I C & P the config file from another system.
I have to use the app_config file because I have 4, 6, 8 core CPUs and dual socket boards.
So using the universal preference setting would not work. I am running 15 systems @home.
Going to try to get a couple more running today.
I guess I could put all the 4 core on default, 6 cores on home 8 on school...AMD,Linux on...
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That's what I think as well.
I mainly use the different venues to adjust the choice of subprojects and number of workunits.
The exact settings are done via app_config.xml.
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Well, I've learned one important lesson from this challenge:
You can't run PG on an overclocked (350W!) 10980XE, 3930k, E3v3 Xeon, their respective high powered GPUs, and a laptop, plus pfsense router, storage server, all the networking gear for the house, 4 stereos (for surround sound!), and the bedrooms' lights off of one 20A, 120V circuit. (No, they were not all in one room.)
Oops.
I have a very old house where the wiring was updated to good, modern stuff in the 90s, but not, apparently, to the (then) standard of one circuit breaker per room.
The straw that broke the camel's back? I turned on the little monitor I use for direct access to the server.
There has been a relocation of hardware. >.<
LOL!!! There's my Friday morning laugh :D
Yawn...... these challenges have just descended into who can hire the most pc's to crunch with. I don't even bother looking at the ranks any more.
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Yawn...... these challenges have just descended into who can hire the most pc's to crunch with. I don't even bother looking at the ranks any more.
Original post was pretty bitter. All I'll say is this:
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What??!!?? You mean you don't have 7 computers?? Isn't that normal these days?
(Just kidding around)
I am a credit whore (read that as run Collatz) EXCEPT for these challenges - for the most part I have 4 OLD computers that are good for running nVidia RTX cards and not to good at CPU tasks. I also have some newer computers that I built as work stations for various businesses / family that are great at turning out CPU tasks and usually keep all my CPU work on Primegrid just to get prettier badges (and help the PG team find more primes)!
Whenever the GFN challenges come up I put everything on PG just to see how I stack up - you are correct - unless I buy more computers or lease some server time - I will never be as fast as the top 25 EVER. BUT I live pain and compete anyway!
This is only for fun and my mathmatical curiosity anyway.
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What??!!?? You mean you don't have 7 computers?? Isn't that normal these days?
(Just kidding around)
I am a credit whore (read that as run Collatz) EXCEPT for these challenges - for the most part I have 4 OLD computers that are good for running nVidia RTX cards and not to good at CPU tasks. I also have some newer computers that I built as work stations for various businesses / family that are great at turning out CPU tasks and usually keep all my CPU work on Primegrid just to get prettier badges (and help the PG team find more primes)!
Whenever the GFN challenges come up I put everything on PG just to see how I stack up - you are correct - unless I buy more computers or lease some server time - I will never be as fast as the top 25 EVER. BUT I live pain and compete anyway!
This is only for fun and my mathmatical curiosity anyway.
LOL.... yes I don't look at my overall credits because I'm not a credit whore and don't run Collatz :) (Your words, not mine :)
I still compete in the challenges.... I just see the score/rank etc as pointless.
I'm not losing sleep over it... I don't have to crunch PG, I know.
I can't congratulate someone for finding a prime because they hired a crunching machine that found it (yes that sounds a bit bitter but meh)
I think there's just something more....satisfying by actually owning the hardware and making a discovery... not paying a mindless server to find it.
It's all good, I'm not upset by it...that's just the way it is. I accepted that long ago.
I guess it's science that is the real winner :D
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That computer has not gone crazy again down loading hundreds of tasks.
Not sure what went wrong, but it seems fine now.
The challenges are fun, why I do it.
Thanks to PG for doing them. I believe the best run challenges there are.
I heat my house in the cool/cold weather and shut down most systems in the hot weather
At least two boxes in every room. Except the kitchen, that's off limits!!
My wife thinks I am crazy, and I have to agree with her.
Started with folding at home 15 years ago, I got "The bug"
I think rented servers are ok. You want to play you have to pay, one way or another.
I would do it but then I would not get the heat output to heat my house.
Seems like a good option for those who live in warm climates who don't need the heat.
Or if you live in a small apartment and don't have room for a DC farm.
I don't do this for the points or to place first. I do it for the badges!
Well and the few primes I have been lucky enough to find.
Thanks again for putting these challenges together, much appreciated.
Happy New Year everyone. Stay safe and healthy.
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Crunching is already a very passive activity because the computers do the main job. Without assembling and looking after the hardware, and dealing with the heat and noise in my room, I would not feel like I did anything substantial to earn the credit. So, while others may see things differently, I definitely won't go for the cloud. Since I also enjoy crunching between the challenges, physical hardware is more cost-effective anyways, even accounting for the rather high electricity prices in my country. :)
I have been participating in every single challenge here since March 2008, and don't plan to change that. For me, the main challenge is to get the most out of my hardware, and if I manage to do that, I don't care whether I end up in 5th, 50th, or 500th place. There always have been participants with access to huge company or institute resources that I never had any chance to compete with. But I still look at the stats to applaud the huge home farms (there are still quite a few of them up there) and enjoy trying to catch other home users close to me (watch your back, Chooka :)).
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Hahahah thank you for your light hearted reply pschoefer :)
I like your explanation of what drives you and I can relate to that. Electricity is expensive in Australia too! About 28c/kWh I think (0.18/kWh in Euro if I got that right)
LOL.... I see you are indeed right behind me!!!
I only tested throughput on my 3950X but as far as i know "I'm givin her all I've got C'ptain!! I can't giver her anymore!!" :D
Actually.... you will overtake me because I squeeze in a bit of gaming with my nephew on the weekends so BOINC takes a back seat for that.
Goodluck :)
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Congrats, tng !
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Yes, and Scott Brown has one, too. Can be seen on https://primes.utm.edu/primes/search.php?MaxAge=3&OnList=all&Number=200&Style=HTML. The primes with details are going to be visible on https://www.primegrid.com/primes/primes.php?project=DIV&factors=XGF&sortby=date when they have been validated on Top 5000. /JeppeSN | |
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Yes, and Scott Brown has one, too. ...
That's nice.
Congrats in advance, Scott !
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Congratulations Scott and tng, nice finds! | |
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Yes, and Scott Brown has one, too. Can be seen on https://primes.utm.edu/primes/search.php?MaxAge=3&OnList=all&Number=200&Style=HTML. The primes with details are going to be visible on https://www.primegrid.com/primes/primes.php?project=DIV&factors=XGF&sortby=date when they have been validated on Top 5000. /JeppeSN
As discussed on Discord, there is an even more amazing one in the pipeline. Can be seen now by following the first link above (and will appear on the second link soon). Again tng, and this time it earns him an badge! /JeppeSN | |
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As of this post. It looks like we've had 612 different users with a total of 217,887,410.85 points and we've completed 267,768 tasks....of which I don't know how many are Certificates.
Thus averages of 356,025.18 average points per contestant and an average of 438 tasks per user. That is a lot of work. We've hit 3...maybe 4 primes? One get the F badge. All in all it looks like a very successful challenge and it is still going for 2 more days!! | |
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Michael Gutierrez Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project scientist
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Challenge updates so far:
Challenge: Good Riddance 2020!
App: 32 (PPS-DIV)
Fast DC tasks are NOT included.
(As of 2021-01-17 01:30:47 UTC)
192099 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 192099 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
8901 (5%) were aborted. [8901 (5%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
819 (0%) came back with some kind of an error. [819 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
142297 (74%) have returned a successful result. [142300 (74%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
40100 (21%) are still in progress. [40105 (21%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
8740 (6%) are pending validation. [8742 (6%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
133557 (94%) have been successfully validated. [133558 (94%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
2 (0%) were invalid. [2 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
0 (0%) are inconclusive. [0 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=8185926. The leading edge was at n=7870559 at the beginning of the challenge. Since the challenge started, the leading edge has advanced 4.01% as much as it had prior to the challenge!
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I'm starting to see some 512K FFTs - ~10% longer runtime, with a ~10% credit increase.
480K task: https://www.primegrid.com/result.php?resultid=1171021330
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Gelly wrote: It's always been "pay-to-win".
Always?
When multithreaded LLR was still new and hardly anybody used it, the key to success was to Work Smarter, Not Harder. :->
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Well no DIV for me this round.
Thanks to the Primegrid team for putting together this 5 day focus on advancing the leading edge for DIV!
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Thanks admins for putting on the first challenge for the year.
No primes this time for me either.
TSC and AWS did well :)
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That was a heap of fun!
Thanks to all involved!
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Greetings, Jens
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This is my first ever time in a challenge to get within no300! In August 2019 I was no302.....
Thank you to all the admins for organizing the challenge!!!
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My lucky number is 6219*2^3374198+1
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This is my first ever time in a challenge to get within no300!...
Hey, congrats !
As it has been the case for the last few years, users who get placed 300th or less in a challenge get "challenge series points", which are summed up along the year to get the user (individual) final position in that year challenge series.
(For teams, 100th place or less is required in a challenge for the team to get challenge series points.)
Since you have finished this first 2021 challenge in 248th place and this challenge had a duration of 5 days, you got 82.7 points for the challenge series.
You're guaranteed to show up in the 2021 challenge series final standings table, instead of the bottom (Honorable mentions for those ...).
See the current individual standings and current team standings.
Keep up the good work !
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Thanks to all who participated in the challenge! Here are the ending stats:
App: 32 (PPS-DIV)
Fast DC tasks are NOT included.
(As of 2021-01-19 19:26:00 UTC)
327007 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 327007 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
30546 (9%) were aborted. [30546 (9%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
4474 (1%) came back with some kind of an error. [4474 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
263315 (81%) have returned a successful result. [263315 (81%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
15820 (5%) are still in progress. [15819 (5%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
2942 (1%) are pending validation. [2942 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
260373 (99%) have been successfully validated. [260373 (99%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
6 (0%) were invalid. [6 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
0 (0%) are inconclusive. [0 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=8379831. The leading edge was at n=7870559 at the beginning of the challenge. Since the challenge started, the leading edge has advanced 6.47% as much as it had prior to the challenge!
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The results are final!
Throughout the 5 day challenge, we completed almost 300 thousand tasks. In addition to 3 new DIV primes -- one of them being the SECOND LARGEST known Fermat Divisor -- we also averaged about 10 times the subproject's typical LLR output.
134 teams and 688 individuals participated in the Challenge.
Top Three Individuals:
1. Gelly (who completed nearly a third of all challenge tasks)
2. Sean
3. tng
Top Three Teams:
1. Antarctic Crunchers
2. Czech National Team
3. Aggie The Pew
The next Challenge is the Tour de Primes, which starts Feb 1st. Hope everyone's 2021 is going smoothly so far!
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Nice!
What about the cleanup of the Great Conjunction Challenge (the last one in 2020) ?
Is it over ?
The last word I read about it mentioned
The results are final!
(actually, just the top three right now. the rest still may be decided by cleanup tasks.)
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