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Hi folks,
Here's our plan for 2020! Let us know what you think.
International Education Day Challenge:
1 day
321-sv
1/24 00:00 UTC thru 1/24 23:59 UTC
Tour de Primes:
2/1 00:00 UTC thru 2/29 23:59 UTC
Final "Leap" stage: 2/29 00:00 UTC thru 23:59 UTC
Year of the Rat Challenge:
5 days
SR5
3/12 06:00 UTC thru 3/17 06:00 UTC
Sophie Germain’s Birthday Challenge:
3 days
SGS
4/1 12:00 UTC thru 4/4 12:00 UTC
Samuel Yates’s 101st Birthday Challenge:
10 days
CUL/WOO
5/10 18:00 UTC thru 5/20 18:00 UTC
Top Gun Maverick Challenge:
3 days
PPS-sv
6/23 22:00 UTC thru 6/26 22:00 UTC
Summer Olympics Challenge:
7 days
TRP
7/24 20:00 UTC thru 7/31 20:00 UTC
International Bacon Day Challenge:
3 days
PPSE
9/3 00:00 UTC thru 9/5 23:59 UTC
2020 World Expo Challenge:
5 days
PPS-DIV
10/20 06:00 UTC thru 10/25 06:00 UTC
Great Conjunction Challenge:
10 days
GFN 18/19/20
12/21 13:22 UTC thru 12/31 13:22 UTC |
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I think the first challenge could be longer; some of us could not be awake at 00:00UTC. Also, wouldn't there be a mountain stage for TdP this year? And I thought there would be many conjecture challenges...
Overall I look forward to a new decade!
Great timing as I am making my badge goal.
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I think the first challenge could be longer;
I agree and especially in lieu of the fact the 321 sieve has moved less than 25% of its initial target so far. |
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And I thought there would be many conjecture challenges...
You can't have everything every year, unless you want half the year to be challenge days. We try to mix it up. An earlier draft of the schedule was very heavy on LLR challenges. It was my suggestion that the schedule should be more varied.
This year we have a GPU sieve, a CPU sieve, a GFN, and several short LLR tasks along with our inevitable compliment of long LLR tasks.
I asked that AP27 *not* be included in this year's schedule since we still haven't decided on its fate. Other than that, we have a little bit of everything.
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I think the first challenge could be longer;
I agree and especially in lieu of the fact the 321 sieve has moved less than 25% of its initial target so far.
They are short tasks. A running start is viable. You can also configure Windows and Linux (and presumably MacOS) to start loading tasks at a preset time.
We haven't had a one day challenge in a while, and this is something people have been asking for to balance out the generally increasing size of challenges.
As for the 321-sieve progress... who exactly is in a rush for it to end? Whenever we get close to a project ending, and badge progress becoming impossible, there is much wailing and rending of garments (yes, I'm looking at you! LOL). PrimeGrid as a whole won't need the new sieve results for several years.
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Looks great to me! I like the combination of short and long challenges, as well as the combination of Cullen and Woodall into a single 10-day challenge. The spread is also really good; nothing too close together.
3 days of SGS and PPSE is going to be pretty crazy with the number of tasks getting completed too. Might this set a PrimeGrid record for the number of tasks completed per day for SGS and the number of T5K reports that need to be made for the PPSE? I sure hope that the server can handle the tasks and that whoever does the reporting has a steady caffeine supply XD Also, I can see a huge number of DigitalOcean accounts getting locked for those two challenges.
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Whenever we get close to a project ending, and badge progress becoming impossible, there is much wailing and rending of garments (yes, I'm looking at you! LOL). PrimeGrid as a whole won't need the new sieve results for several years.
Michael, now you see why I will personally be done with 321 Sieve in a week's time for this specific reason ... wailing and rending of garments. LOL! |
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Looks good to me, happy to see some shorter challenges.
Happy New Year! |
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Tour de Primes:
2/1 00:00 UTC thru 2/29 23:59 UTC
Final "Leap" stage: 2/29 00:00 UTC thru 23:59 UTC
"Leap" stage -- does this replace the mountain stage for the polka-dot jersey?
Otherwise, it's good to have shorter challenges for a change, even if I personally would prefer longer ones.
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Looks good!
(I suppose "thru 23:59" really means "until 24:00". But with other end times it is apparently used differently, like "thru 06:00", "thru 12:00" etc.)
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Speaking of "leap" stage.
It would be great to have a blue moon challenge when there is one.
(Blue moon being a 2nd full moon within a calendar month)
Ground hog day challenge would be fun too, though that falls in February which is in the Tour de Primes month. |
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i like the fact that this is a very different selection from 2019.
Looking forward to it!
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Looks good to me :)
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A great selection, there's a bit of everything and it covers many of the projects that were not part of the 2019 Challenge Series. I also like the return of the short challenges, and that there is ample time between the challenges. The GPU challenge in June will be hard for those on the Northern Hemisphere, but we had this before and those on the Southern Hemisphere had GPU challenges during their summer time for years.
The only thing I'm unhappy with is that the May challenge heavily overlaps with the annual BOINC Pentathlon timeslot (May 05, 00:00 UTC - May 18, 24:00 UTC). It would be great if that challenge could be rescheduled towards end of May.
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Looks good to me :)
What he said. & the others. Doesn't seem to clash with any of my plans for the year.
A very different feel to other years. The 1-day 321sv surprised me as well tbh but fair enough as a blast. Varied start times as well to cater for the variety of timezones. |
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Looks good to me. I'll finally get to participate in a TdP too!
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Looks good to me. I'll finally get to participate in a TdP too!
This will be the first one where I have a chance of getting the new participation badges. I was really disappointed that they weren’t awarded retroactively. They get harder and harder to get each year with the same compute power. I’ve been doing calculations, and with my current compute power I only have a 50% chance of finding a prime that qualifies for the top list during the month.
Personally, I think SGS should either be swapped for a different project, or SGS advanced to a larger range.
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Hi, As big hitters always tend to achieve higher scores, much by the sheer power brought to bear, it could be good to have a graded competition. Thus smaller, or individual crunchers would compete in their group size. I.E. 1-5 pcs, 6-10, 11+ You get the idea? This is what we do with our pedigree Aberdeen Angus cattle herd competions.
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The only thing I'm unhappy with is that the May challenge heavily overlaps with the annual BOINC Pentathlon timeslot (May 05, 00:00 UTC - May 18, 24:00 UTC). It would be great if that challenge could be rescheduled towards end of May.
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I would hate miss any of the challenges. I thought PG usually avoided conflict with the Pentathlon, especially since it is not uncommon for PG to be selected as a project in the Pentathlon.
Otherwise I'm quite pleased with the selection of projects.
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Hi, As big hitters always tend to achieve higher scores, much by the sheer power brought to bear, it could be good to have a graded competition. Thus smaller, or individual crunchers would compete in their group size. I.E. 1-5 pcs, 6-10, 11+ You get the idea? This is what we do with our pedigree Aberdeen Angus cattle herd competions.
I didn't know Angus cattle are so keen on computing. :)
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Hi, As big hitters always tend to achieve higher scores, much by the sheer power brought to bear, it could be good to have a graded competition. Thus smaller, or individual crunchers would compete in their group size. I.E. 1-5 pcs, 6-10, 11+ You get the idea? This is what we do with our pedigree Aberdeen Angus cattle herd competions.
This is a great idea!
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Hi, As big hitters always tend to achieve higher scores, much by the sheer power brought to bear, it could be good to have a graded competition. Thus smaller, or individual crunchers would compete in their group size. I.E. 1-5 pcs, 6-10, 11+ You get the idea? This is what we do with our pedigree Aberdeen Angus cattle herd competions.
This is a great idea!
Regardless of whether or not this is desirable, it seems very difficult to implement.
Does a 10 year old 1c/2t Atom-based netbook and a brand new 18 core XE-series AVX-512 CPU both count as "1 PC"?
Does a computer that runs 1 task and then is turned off, and an identical computer that runs 500 tasks during the challenge both count as "1 PC"?
If you fire up a 32-core cloud server and that counts as "1 PC", what if you fire up 8 cloud servers with the same CPU cores as the 32-core server, but each of the 8 servers only has 4 cores. Does that count as "8 PCs" or "1 PC"? It's the same 32 cores as the big server.
I could go on and on with questions like that. Pandora would be proud of this suggestion!
Feel free to chat about this as much as you want, but understand that this idea isn't going anywhere. There's no way to implement it fairly.
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OK, thanks, I can see the myriad problems. Just looking to get a schematic to be enable reward for contributors’ smaller but valid efforts. Pour encourager les autres etc....
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Hi, As big hitters always tend to achieve higher scores, much by the sheer power brought to bear, it could be good to have a graded competition. Thus smaller, or individual crunchers would compete in their group size. I.E. 1-5 pcs, 6-10, 11+ You get the idea? This is what we do with our pedigree Aberdeen Angus cattle herd competions.
This is a great idea!
Regardless of whether or not this is desirable, it seems very difficult to implement.
Does a 10 year old 1c/2t Atom-based netbook and a brand new 18 core XE-series AVX-512 CPU both count as "1 PC"?
Does a computer that runs 1 task and then is turned off, and an identical computer that runs 500 tasks during the challenge both count as "1 PC"?
If you fire up a 32-core cloud server and that counts as "1 PC", what if you fire up 8 cloud servers with the same CPU cores as the 32-core server, but each of the 8 servers only has 4 cores. Does that count as "8 PCs" or "1 PC"? It's the same 32 cores as the big server.
I could go on and on with questions like that. Pandora would be proud of this suggestion!
Feel free to chat about this as much as you want, but understand that this idea isn't going anywhere. There's no way to implement it fairly.
What if instead of pc's you used cores? ie under 10 cores, 11 to 35, 36 to 80 etc? That way my hundred plus cpu cores wouldn't affect someone crunching just as diligently with 2 quad core machines. Now I have no idea how this could be monitored or even IF it could be. |
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Interesting mix of sub-projects for the Challenges. I like them all. And LOL at the International Bacon Day One!
The 1 and 3 day challenges are a good change of pace also. While still having a few 5 day, a 7 day, and 10 day challenge. The sieving challenges are going to be interesting too especially for those who like to sieve. (looks at yank ;) ) I like the idea of the quick 1 day Challenge for 321sv as this one will be quick and hard hit. Good mix of CPU and GPU Challenges.
Good set of Challenges. Two thumbs up.
Good luck to all crunchers and teams this year!
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Let's keep the discussion to the schedule, please. I'm going to start removing off topic posts if this continues.
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pschoefer wrote: The only thing I'm unhappy with is that the May challenge heavily overlaps with the annual BOINC Pentathlon timeslot (May 05, 00:00 UTC - May 18, 24:00 UTC). It would be great if that challenge could be rescheduled towards end of May.
We'll be adjusting to avoid conflicting with the BOINC Pentathlon.
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As we get ready to celebrate the new year, let's officially welcome our new Challenge Coordinator, Michael Gutierrez!
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Welcome aboard Michael! Just checked out your profile and I'd have to say I agree wholeheartedly with your viewpoint on the value of knowledge. Every new thing we learn has an intrinsic value all of it's own; even if the "usefulness" today is zero :)
Looking forward to the challenges this year! Good luck to yourself and all the others! |
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The 2020 challenge page is live, and should reflect the schedule above. Please let me know if there's any mistakes.
I know that the May challenge dates are going to change, and the points schedule has a 15 day column instead of a 1 day column. Those will both be updated as more information becomes available.
Please don't ask "Where is it?"
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Too late now for this idea (this year anyway).
To find the First Prime Of The Year (UTC): FPOTY.
It's a New Year's Day "baby" prime challenge.
EDIT: or maybe not too late. None has been reported yet, this year. |
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First prime reported to server looks like a SGS unit by Artist:
http://www.primegrid.com/primes/?section=primelist&userid=29825
If you go by 1st prime submitted to t5k then I think I have that, but the prime itself was reported to server last year. First prime discovered and reported to t5k in 2020 looks open.
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First prime reported to server looks like a SGS unit by Artist:
http://www.primegrid.com/primes/?section=primelist&userid=29825
If you go by 1st prime submitted to t5k then I think I have that, but the prime itself was reported to server last year. First prime discovered and reported to t5k in 2020 looks open.
Please stay on topic.
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Here's the adjusted schedule to work around the BOINC Pentathlon! We moved the May Challenge to November with a new theme, no other changes.
International Education Day Challenge:
1 day
321-sv
1/24 00:00 UTC thru 1/24 23:59 UTC
Tour de Primes:
2/1 00:00 UTC thru 2/29 23:59 UTC
Mountain stage: 2/29 00:00 UTC thru 23:59 UTC
Sophie Germain’s Birthday Challenge:
3 days
SGS
4/1 12:00 UTC thru 4/4 12:00 UTC
Top Gun Maverick Challenge:
3 days
PPS-sv
6/23 22:00 UTC thru 6/26 22:00 UTC
Summer Olympics Challenge:
7 days
TRP
7/24 20:00 UTC thru 7/31 20:00 UTC
International Bacon Day Challenge:
3 days
PPSE
9/3 00:00 UTC thru 9/5 23:59 UTC
2020 World Expo Challenge:
5 days
PPS-DIV
10/20 06:00 UTC thru 10/25 06:00 UTC
Magellan 500th Anniversary Challenge:
10 days
CUL/WOO
11/18 18:00 UTC thru 11/28 18:00 UTC
Great Conjunction Challenge:
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Nice.
Please don't forget to update both the Individual and Team Challenge Points tables for the 2020 Challenge Series.
Currently they lack a 1 day duration column and have an extra column with duration 15 days which will not be used, AFAIK.
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Here's the adjusted schedule to work around the BOINC Pentathlon! We moved the May Challenge to November with a new theme, no other changes.
Looks like the Year of the Rat Challenge from the original post is missing?
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Here's the adjusted schedule to work around the BOINC Pentathlon! We moved the May Challenge to November with a new theme, no other changes.
Looks like the Year of the Rat Challenge from the original post is missing?
Year of the Rat Challenge:
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The March challenge is still on the challenge schedule. /JeppeSN |
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Hey! The Challenge Schedule page doesn't say what points you or your team get for a 1-day challenge! |
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Hey! The Challenge Schedule page doesn't say what points you or your team get for a 1-day challenge!
We haven't figured it out yet.
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Hey! The Challenge Schedule page doesn't say what points you or your team get for a 1-day challenge!
We haven't figured it out yet.
Place 1 - 1000 points?
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Should the "Summer Olympics Challenge" in July be postponed to 2021,
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Suggested new name to be: Corona Chaos Challenge
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LOL
It's a good name :)
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My suggestion was "Summer Olympics Challenge".
Although that seemed funny and witty at the time, given all the pain and suffering that is occuring (and will continue to occur), making light of the situation seems more than a little crass.
My current thinking is to tell the Covid virus to go stuff itself, and while we can't hold the Olympics this year, we sure as heck can hold the Summer Olympics Challenge as planned, to commemorate the Olympics that couldn't be. The same is true for other challenges whose theme revolves some event that is cancelled or postponed due to the virus.
Alternatively, how about a theme honoring all the people on the front lines of the pandemic?
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Suggested new name to be: Corona Chaos Challenge
Or: Champagne Chaos Challenge
Then three words with Ch (each pronounced with a different initial sound).
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My suggestion was "Summer Olympics Challenge".
Although that seemed funny and witty at the time, given all the pain and suffering that is occuring (and will continue to occur), making light of the situation seems more than a little crass.
My current thinking is to tell the Covid virus to go stuff itself, and while we can't hold the Olympics this year, we sure as heck can hold the Summer Olympics Challenge as planned, to commemorate the Olympics that couldn't be. The same is true for other challenges whose theme revolves some event that is cancelled or postponed due to the virus.
Alternatively, how about a theme honoring all the people on the front lines of the pandemic?
Both ideas are good in my book, 👍
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My current thinking is to tell the Covid virus to go stuff itself, and while we can't hold the Olympics this year, we sure as heck can hold the Summer Olympics Challenge as planned, to commemorate the Olympics that couldn't be. The same is true for other challenges whose theme revolves some event that is cancelled or postponed due to the virus.
Perfect idea. As you were. |
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Front Line Challenge?
Sounds boring. Anyone could come up with a more interesting name?
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How about "Essential Health Care Workers honary challenge" ... these persons are in my mind more honable and worth showing gratitude and honor than a shortlived actress or actor at the oscars. I know sport people "work hard" for their goal, but they only work their goal for a short period of time. The health care worker works the persons goal for several decades and some of them for the rest of their life, when something like Corona shows it grim face :) |
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My current thinking is to tell the Covid virus to go stuff itself, and while we can't hold the Olympics this year, we sure as heck can hold the Summer Olympics Challenge as planned, to commemorate the Olympics that couldn't be. The same is true for other challenges whose theme revolves some event that is cancelled or postponed due to the virus.
Alternatively, how about a theme honoring all the people on the front lines of the pandemic?
How about "Essential Health Care Workers honorary challenge [...]"
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