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Michael GoetzProject donor
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321 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,169,719)Cullen LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,157,331)ESP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,179,211)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,330,821)PPS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,254,873)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,632,269)SoB LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,632,795)SR5 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,048,315)SGS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,680,461)TRP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,324,283)Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,145,077)321 Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (200,576)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,085,723)PPS Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (18,175,834)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,881,239)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (42,663,419)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,028,791)
Message 112055 - Posted: 4 Dec 2017 | 3:07:27 UTC

For most of the last year, I've been using a system to benchmark our LLR credit that wasn't behaving as I expected. The result is that several LLR projects had some tasks receiving more credit than anticipated.

I have completed making the tests and calculations necessary to adjust the credit system. Fixing the problem required completely new credit benchmarks for all LLR projects, so everything is changing, if only by a little bit. You may notice the following changes:

1) Tasks currently with erroneous credit will now be producing the correct amount of credit. These tasks will see a reduction in credit between 3% and 18%. Affected projects are: Some Woodall, some Cullen, some PSP, and all GCW.

2) Otherwise, credit on large tasks will mostly be very close to previous values, but credit on the small tasks (PPS and PPSE) will go up.

3) SGS, which is the reference for all LLR credit, is unchanged.

4) Everything that's not LLR (GFN, sieves, AP27) is unchanged.

As of yet there's no timetable for implementing these changes, but it will probably happen in the near future.
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321 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,009,226)Cullen LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,027,944)ESP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,092,316)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,039,591)PPS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,015,520)PSP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,024,704)SoB LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,725,985)SR5 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,010,060)SGS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,018,673)TRP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,037,468)Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,040,360)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (31,043,526)PPS Sieve Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (134,361,318)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (14,516,062)TRP Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,329,228)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,275,645)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (21,980,939)PSA Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (116,531,700)
Message 112068 - Posted: 4 Dec 2017 | 17:46:53 UTC - in response to Message 112055.

These tasks will see a reduction in credit between 3% and 18%.

Can you share which project is responsible for the +18% bonus so that we can jump the gun for the early Xmas present? :-P

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321 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,009,226)Cullen LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,027,944)ESP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,092,316)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,039,591)PPS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,015,520)PSP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,024,704)SoB LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,725,985)SR5 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,010,060)SGS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,018,673)TRP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,037,468)Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,040,360)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (31,043,526)PPS Sieve Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (134,361,318)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (14,516,062)TRP Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,329,228)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,275,645)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (21,980,939)PSA Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (116,531,700)
Message 112069 - Posted: 4 Dec 2017 | 18:50:23 UTC - in response to Message 112068.

These tasks will see a reduction in credit between 3% and 18%.

Can you share which project is responsible for the +18% bonus so that we can jump the gun for the early Xmas present? :-P

Please ignore above. :-)

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321 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,169,719)Cullen LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,157,331)ESP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,179,211)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,330,821)PPS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,254,873)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,632,269)SoB LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,632,795)SR5 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,048,315)SGS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,680,461)TRP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,324,283)Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,145,077)321 Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (200,576)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,085,723)PPS Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (18,175,834)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,881,239)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (42,663,419)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,028,791)
Message 112071 - Posted: 4 Dec 2017 | 19:11:52 UTC - in response to Message 112068.

These tasks will see a reduction in credit between 3% and 18%.

Can you share which project is responsible for the +18% bonus so that we can jump the gun for the early Xmas present? :-P


Eh, why not...

Woodall: 11%
Cullen: 3%
PSP: 17%
GCW: 10%-18%

The GCW numbers include a lot of FFTs that won't get used for quite a while. For the small number of FFTs currently in use, the error ranges from... 10% to 18%. :)

It's probably not worth changing what you're running just for this. "Change in the near future" probably means later today or tomorrow. Also... credit is determined at the initial validation, NOT when you download the task. So downloading a task right now while the credit is erroneously high doesn't mean the error will still be active when the task gets validated. And there's absolutely no benefit in stockpiling tasks.
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321 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,009,226)Cullen LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,027,944)ESP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,092,316)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,039,591)PPS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,015,520)PSP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,024,704)SoB LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,725,985)SR5 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,010,060)SGS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,018,673)TRP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,037,468)Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,040,360)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (31,043,526)PPS Sieve Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (134,361,318)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (14,516,062)TRP Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,329,228)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,275,645)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (21,980,939)PSA Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (116,531,700)
Message 112074 - Posted: 4 Dec 2017 | 20:05:15 UTC - in response to Message 112071.

There goes the early present. :-)

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321 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,169,719)Cullen LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,157,331)ESP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,179,211)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,330,821)PPS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,254,873)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,632,269)SoB LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,632,795)SR5 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,048,315)SGS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,680,461)TRP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,324,283)Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,145,077)321 Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (200,576)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,085,723)PPS Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (18,175,834)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,881,239)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (42,663,419)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,028,791)
Message 112075 - Posted: 4 Dec 2017 | 20:51:42 UTC

I've temporarily shut down the validator while making the credit changes...
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321 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,169,719)Cullen LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,157,331)ESP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,179,211)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,330,821)PPS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,254,873)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,632,269)SoB LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,632,795)SR5 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,048,315)SGS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,680,461)TRP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,324,283)Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,145,077)321 Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (200,576)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,085,723)PPS Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (18,175,834)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,881,239)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (42,663,419)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,028,791)
Message 112077 - Posted: 4 Dec 2017 | 21:17:14 UTC

The validator is running again, now with the new LLR credit.
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321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,263,964)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,744,806)ESP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (134,902)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (690,530)PPS LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (865,935)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,510,094)SoB LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,820,023)SR5 LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (134,925)SGS LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (567,754)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,365,298)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,487,556)321 Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (73,485)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (244,068)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (12,015)PPS Sieve Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,562,311)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (24,974)TRP Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (129,007)AP 26/27 Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (133,451)GFN Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (403,497)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,019,846)
Message 112078 - Posted: 4 Dec 2017 | 21:26:04 UTC - in response to Message 112077.

So do tasks that were in a waiting on a wingperson state get the old amount of credit or the new amount?
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321 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,169,719)Cullen LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,157,331)ESP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,179,211)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,330,821)PPS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,254,873)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,632,269)SoB LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,632,795)SR5 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,048,315)SGS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,680,461)TRP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,324,283)Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,145,077)321 Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (200,576)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,085,723)PPS Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (18,175,834)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,881,239)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (42,663,419)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,028,791)
Message 112079 - Posted: 4 Dec 2017 | 21:42:13 UTC - in response to Message 112078.

So do tasks that were in a waiting on a wingperson state get the old amount of credit or the new amount?


If there's not yet a canonical result, i.e., no tasks have been validated yet, they get the new credit. If there's any result that's been validated already, any subsequent tasks will receive the same credit as the previously validated task(s).

In the normal case of two tasks, where you're done and you're waiting for the wingman, you'll get the new credit. (Except for the errors, that generally means more credit.)
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321 LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (170,884)Cullen LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (406,422)ESP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (160,429)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (623,091)PPS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,778,647)PSP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (216,890)SoB LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (513,532)SR5 LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (168,276)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,620,977)TPS LLR (retired) Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (775,455)TRP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (190,220)Woodall LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (474,469)321 Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (20,575)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (21,586)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (432,097)PPS Sieve Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (384,936,762)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (118,924)TRP Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (43,251)AP 26/27 Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,406,478)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (35,790,050)
Message 112087 - Posted: 5 Dec 2017 | 3:06:37 UTC - in response to Message 112079.

Dang! Gonna have to get another woodall task on the list to hit gold. Thought I was going to have it, but now I'll be short. lol
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