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Profile GleanerC
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Credit: 159,213,824
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321 LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (107,165)Cullen LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (131,834)PPS LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (451,361)PSP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (199,391)SoB LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (440,893)SGS LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (500,966)TRP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (242,230)Woodall LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (124,585)321 Sieve Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (200,113)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (19,764,437)PPS Sieve Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (131,330,182)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (247,800)TRP Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,095,259)AP 26/27 Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,159,743)GFN Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,267,440)PSA Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (950,408)
Message 55061 - Posted: 30 May 2012 | 12:07:06 UTC

I'm wondering if manual Boinc credits are are given, for all the PSA projects at the same time? The reason I ask. I noticed that quite a number of folks received PSA credit within the last day. It's been a few weeks since I've received any. I'm crunching GFN262144:0:1:prpnet.mine.nu:11002

Thanks!


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Discovered 1 mega prime2012 Tour de Primes highest prime scoreFound 2 primes in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de Primes321 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (14,136,498)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,622,415)ESP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,461,313)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,005,831)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,560,737)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,414,623)SoB LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,923,258)SR5 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,716,765)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,389,989)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,099,308)Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,375,769)321 Sieve Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,106,124)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,449,019)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,388,253)PPS Sieve Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (343,244,386)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,072,601)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,441,257)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (21,294,481)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (51,168,558)PSA Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (79,952,619)
Message 55064 - Posted: 30 May 2012 | 15:49:56 UTC - in response to Message 55061.

I'm wondering if manual Boinc credits are are given, for all the PSA projects at the same time? The reason I ask. I noticed that quite a number of folks received PSA credit within the last day. It's been a few weeks since I've received any. I'm crunching GFN262144:0:1:prpnet.mine.nu:11002

Thanks!


Agent GleanerC /out


As far as I know:

a) PRP net credit is converted to boinc credit in bunches, according to your RAC. You can get it all at once or a little bit everyday for a few days. The number of days varies from one to 7 or more, according to the number of prpet credit to be granted as boinc credit and your RAC.

However, the first day is the same to everyone running prpnet projects (it is the day admins manually do the conversion of credits)

b) PSA credit includes other projects than those running under prpnet, namely some sieving work (GFN sieve, wwwsieve and others). Credit for this other apps or projects is (os has been) granted independently of prpnet credit.

So, all projects running under prpnet get boinc credit at the same time. But other PSA projects that are not running under prpnet can get credit on different dates.
Looking to credit DB does not allow you to know which project a given credit bunch came from.

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The "Shut up already!" badge:  This loud mouth has mansplained on the forums over 10 thousand times!  Sheesh!!!Discovered the World's First GFN-19 prime!!!Discovered 1 mega primeFound 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de Primes321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,822,730)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,005,249)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,009,577)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,145,754)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (15,528,453)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,197,957)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (34,291,181)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,007,110)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,276,330)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,084,329)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,195,123)321 Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,061,196)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,059,304)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (22,885,121)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,118,303)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (74,740,759)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,445,029)
Message 55069 - Posted: 30 May 2012 | 18:24:52 UTC - in response to Message 55061.

I'm wondering if manual Boinc credits are are given, for all the PSA projects at the same time? The reason I ask. I noticed that quite a number of folks received PSA credit within the last day. It's been a few weeks since I've received any. I'm crunching GFN262144:0:1:prpnet.mine.nu:11002

Thanks!


Agent GleanerC /out


Being as I'm the one who does it, I can give you a definitive answer to you: yes.

The manual sieve credits are done separately than the PRPNet credits, but I usually do them all on the same day. This was done most recently over the weekend, either Saturday or Sunday. Note that I don't always have time, so it's not unusual for a week to be skipped. But usually credit should be granted every week or two.

Please send me a PM with the information you used to configure your PRPNet client, in particular the username and the email address. I can use that information to check and see what's what.
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321 LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (107,165)Cullen LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (131,834)PPS LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (451,361)PSP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (199,391)SoB LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (440,893)SGS LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (500,966)TRP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (242,230)Woodall LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (124,585)321 Sieve Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (200,113)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (19,764,437)PPS Sieve Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (131,330,182)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (247,800)TRP Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,095,259)AP 26/27 Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,159,743)GFN Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,267,440)PSA Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (950,408)
Message 55071 - Posted: 30 May 2012 | 19:43:44 UTC - in response to Message 55069.

Thanks for the replies! PM sent. :)


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The "Shut up already!" badge:  This loud mouth has mansplained on the forums over 10 thousand times!  Sheesh!!!Discovered the World's First GFN-19 prime!!!Discovered 1 mega primeFound 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de Primes321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,822,730)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,005,249)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,009,577)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,145,754)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (15,528,453)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,197,957)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (34,291,181)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,007,110)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,276,330)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,084,329)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,195,123)321 Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,061,196)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,059,304)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (22,885,121)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,118,303)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (74,740,759)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,445,029)
Message 55079 - Posted: 30 May 2012 | 21:06:35 UTC

I replied to you via PM, but I'll repeat the essence of that reply here because it might be of interest to others.

The credit process is a little bit convoluted, and goes a bit like this:

* PRPNet server for the port you are crunching creates a WU and sends it to your computer.
* Your computer crunches the WU and returns the result to the PRPNet server
* The PRPNet server does whatever kind of validation it does, and adds an appropriate number of points into its database for the account name and email address you used.
* On a periodic basis, the PRPNet server dumps its user table into a publicly readable file that can be used by third party statistics sites.
* On a periodic basis, the computers run by Sysadm@Nbg read that file (and lots more like it from the other ports), and incorporates those statistics onto his website.
* On a periodic basis, roughly once a week as time permits, I go to that website and pull all the cumulative PRPNet statistics into a spreadsheet. The spreadsheet is used to calculate, for every user, how many credits have been earned since the last update. I then feed those into the BOINC server.

Depending on the timing of those three tasks that get performed periodically, it's possible for there to be a substantial delay. For example, if a port is down, then its stats file won't be written, or won't be read, or whatever, and it may take an extra week for stats from that port to make it all the way through the process and show up in your BOINC PSA totals.

BTW, by far, the most time consuming portion of what I do is to figure out what BOINC account to use for first time PSA participants. It's not sufficient to just match usernames because there are many username duplicates in the BOINC database, so I do the match on email addresses. So make sure your email address is correct in your PRPNet configuration!
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Credit: 159,213,824
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321 LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (107,165)Cullen LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (131,834)PPS LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (451,361)PSP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (199,391)SoB LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (440,893)SGS LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (500,966)TRP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (242,230)Woodall LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (124,585)321 Sieve Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (200,113)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (19,764,437)PPS Sieve Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (131,330,182)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (247,800)TRP Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,095,259)AP 26/27 Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,159,743)GFN Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,267,440)PSA Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (950,408)
Message 55256 - Posted: 5 Jun 2012 | 20:34:44 UTC - in response to Message 55079.

PSA credit arrived.

One of the things I learned here, according to what computer has communicated with what other computer and so fourth, is that everyone may not get Boinc PSA credit on the same credit run. That's alright, and with a little patience, my credit came in just as it was supposed to.

Thanks again Mike for your help. :)

Happy Crunching Everyone!


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