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This is the official "30 day" notice that the WW project is ending soon. The exact timing depends on how quickly people run the remaining tasks. At the current usage rates there's between 30 and 60 days worth of work remaining. Once all the work is gone, the project ends.
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G'Day
Just wondering what the software limit for this search is?
I had started a few weeks ago to run this sub-project but at just 1 at a time, as I wanted to get up to 500,000 points.
As I am still only half way to that point, I have just increased my allowed number of simultaneous jobs from 1 to 2 (12 core 24 thread, 6 core multi-threaded each work unit), hoping that will get me there. I could go 4 at a time but that maybe slower than 2.
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Just wondering what the software limit for this search is?
18,446,744,073,709,551,616
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Just wondering what the software limit for this search is?
18,446,744,073,709,551,616
There are 425,656,284,035,217,743 primes below that limit, and soon we will know how many of them are Wieferich, and how many are Wall-Sun-Sun. /JeppeSN |
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Just wondering what the software limit for this search is?
18,446,744,073,709,551,616
Which means that based on the "min remaining bound" and "leading edge" numbers on the subproject status page, we're currently between 92.3 and 94.5% done with WW.
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Just wondering what the software limit for this search is?
18,446,744,073,709,551,616
Which means that based on the "min remaining bound" and "leading edge" numbers on the subproject status page, we're currently between 92.3 and 94.5% done with WW.
94.54%
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I am aiming to park at exactly 5.7 billion.
I think I did the simple maths correctly and it is possible.
Melbourne is having a cold spell right now - so I am revving up my GPUs.
As I approach this target I will only have my slowest GPU working.
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Godspeed, Nick
Cheers!
At the start of the project, I remember credit for a WW to be 4,000.
At the time credit went up to 12,000 my total was divisible by 12,000 which I suppose was a 1 in 3 chance. Anyway it would also be funny if it is impossible to stop at exactly 5.7 billion (it isn't impossible - it will require an exact moment to stop - and check to see if there are any failed results). I will be doing small amounts at a time at the end.
I wanted a more interesting number like 5678901230 - but every interesting variation isn't divisible by 12,000.
If I stuff up 5.7 billion - maybe there is another number made of single digit primes with a few zeros at the end?
Edit: hilarious - extremely misguided to not have 3 zeroes at the end as the bare minimum to be divisible by 12,000. |
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Godspeed, Nick
Cheers!
At the start of the project, I remember credit for a WW to be 4,000.
At the time credit went up to 12,000 my total was divisible by 12,000 which I suppose was a 1 in 3 chance. Anyway it would also be funny if it is impossible to stop at exactly 5.7 billion (it isn't impossible - it will require an exact moment to stop - and check to see if there are any failed results). I will be doing small amounts at a time at the end.
I wanted a more interesting number like 5678901230 - but every interesting variation isn't divisible by 12,000.
If I stuff up 5.7 billion - maybe there is another number made of single digit primes with a few zeros at the end?
Edit: hilarious - extremely misguided to not have 3 zeroes at the end as the bare minimum to be divisible by 12,000.
I haven't been running WW because it's very slow on my cpus, only thing I can run them on at the moment. Hopefully people with the fast GPUs can finish this batch and find a prime in them. |
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The leading edge is currently 17660.716P.
This means the project is 95.74% complete.
In the last month, the project has averaged 19650 tasks per day, which means the project has about 27 more days before it will be completed at the current monthly rate.
In the last day, the project completed 27670 tasks, which means the project has about 19 more days before it will be completed at the current rate.
There is about 6.29 billion credit left to be claimed for the project.
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I need 801 WUs to get an Emerald badge.
If I reach it, I'll stop taking WW WUs.
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I'm trying to reach a Sapphire badge, with 369 tasks to go.
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To reach my goal, with the 2 computers I have running now - I need to be very careful after 9 pm tomorrow. The plan is to shut one down earlier and shut the other one down before the target. Leave the fun for Wednesday during the day or evening. As I get closer and closer I will be ever more cautious. Run a task - pause - check. Run another task, etc.
If I manage to get exactly 5.7 billion, it ain't over yet.
Not sure how long invalids might take to appear.
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I was hoping to make it to double amethyst, but since I still can't score a 4090, it looks like I won't make it. I'll still try and get as far as I can with my 3080 and 1080ti.
Are there any plans to update the software for a higher range?
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Are there any plans to update the software for a higher range?
None at this time. I suspect going higher would make the software significantly slower.
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Are there any plans to update the software for a higher range?
quoting Yves Gallot
The main problem if WW is extended is probabilities. The expected number of Wieferich or WSS primes in [a; b] is log(log(b)) - log(log(a)). Then in [2^64; 2^65] this is 2 x 0.0155 WW prime. The expected number of solutions for |A| < 10 is 20 x 2 x 0.0155 = 0.62, 5.6 for |A| < 100 and 56 for |A| < 1000. If WW for p < 2^64 takes about 2 years, [2^64; 2^65] will take about 5 years.
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Are there any plans to update the software for a higher range?
quoting Yves Gallot
The main problem if WW is extended is probabilities. The expected number of Wieferich or WSS primes in [a; b] is log(log(b)) - log(log(a)). Then in [2^64; 2^65] this is 2 x 0.0155 WW prime. The expected number of solutions for |A| < 10 is 20 x 2 x 0.0155 = 0.62, 5.6 for |A| < 100 and 56 for |A| < 1000. If WW for p < 2^64 takes about 2 years, [2^64; 2^65] will take about 5 years.
The probability of finding a WW prime is too small to extend the search at this time.
Nerts.
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I just remember at the beginning, the project should be WWWW for Wilson and Wolstenholme for the 2 last W.
I dig a little a found some discussions and messages from Michael (and other) saying it was impractical to perform the 4 projects at the same time: Here for ex.
Now that the WW (Wieferich and Wall-Sun-Sun Prime Search) project is almost done, is it possible to do another WW project with Wilson and Wolstenholme or at least one of it?
Any math interests in these projects? Software limitation?
I don't have any math knowledge, sorry if my question is stupid.
Thanks.
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My recollection was that the problem wasn’t doing them at the same time. If that were the case we would have created two projects. The problem was that the other two weren’t practical and/or efficient.
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I just remember at the beginning, the project should be WWWW for Wilson and Wolstenholme for the 2 last W.
I dig a little a found some discussions and messages from Michael (and other) saying it was impractical to perform the 4 projects at the same time: Here for ex.
Now that the WW (Wieferich and Wall-Sun-Sun Prime Search) project is almost done, is it possible to do another WW project with Wilson and Wolstenholme or at least one of it?
Any math interests in these projects? Software limitation?
I don't have any math knowledge, sorry if my question is stupid.
It is not stupid!
Michael Goetz is right these forms may be more difficult to check efficiently, I do not know. But most importantly we need appropriate software that can test all primes within a given interval for the Wilson property, or the Wolstenholme property. Does anyone know what software others have used for these forms?
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Michael Goetz is right these forms may be more difficult to check efficiently, I do not know. But most importantly we need appropriate software that can test all primes within a given interval for the Wilson property, or the Wolstenholme property. Does anyone know what software others have used for these forms?
There is little hope in finding a new Wolstenholme prime. See Wolstenholme's theorem: The Wolstenholme condition has been checked up to 109, and the heuristic says that there should be roughly one Wolstenholme prime between 109 and 1024. 1024 ~ 280 and the congruence is mod p4.
Wilson prime is more interesting. There are some theorems for the fast computation of (p - 1)! mod p2 (see A search for Wieferich and Wilson primes, R. Crandall, K. Dilcher and C. Pomerance). Maybe they can be improved. The implementation on GPU is not easy then it's an attractive project. |
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The leading edge is currently 17938.363P.
This means the project is 97.24% complete.
In the last month, the project has averaged 21330 tasks per day, which means the project has about 16 more days before it will be completed at the current monthly rate.
In the last day, the project completed 26580 tasks, which means the project has about 13 more days before it will be completed at the current rate.
There is about 4.07 billion credit left to be claimed for the project.
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I was going for 500,000 points running 2 at a time on my CPU.
Now with 13 days approx. to go I decided to run unlimited and try for 1,000,000 points, why? why not.
I only need about 60 odd work units to get there.
Currently at 372,000 (and 1 pending) with 128,000 to go to get to 500,000.
Will see how close I can get, running up to 4 at a time with 6 threads each working at 16 to 18 hours or so each.
Here goes
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Hi!
Just an observation from the main site, it says that it is still infinity amount of Wieferich Wall-Sun-Sun wu's left!??
According to my crude calculation based on Michael Millerick update from yesterday it is only about 325000 wu's left!
Hope it will be fixed, Thank You!
With regards,
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I am becoming frustrated with a host that has many WW tasks running - nearly 800.
This host has just aborted half, and yet still has nearly 800 tasks.
I am waiting on 2 tasks to be validated by this host so I can reach my target.
It wouldn't normally be an issue, but with the project about to end.....
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I am becoming frustrated with a host that has many WW tasks running - nearly 800.
This host has just aborted half, and yet still has nearly 800 tasks.
I am waiting on 2 tasks to be validated by this host so I can reach my target.
It wouldn't normally be an issue, but with the project about to end.....
Edit: My bad - a quarter of the tasks aborted - that's more reasonable
Don't be frustrated. Generally the credit is already yours, just not guaranteed.
If all the rest of your tasks worked 100%, then there's no reason to suspect that these last 2 tasks will be invalid. |
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Don't be frustrated. Generally the credit is already yours, just not guaranteed.
If all the rest of your tasks worked 100%, then there's no reason to suspect that these last 2 tasks will be invalid.
Yeah there is no point worrying - the project will still be going if the tasks are aborted/time out.
I don't want to jinx anything by mentioning the state of WW tasks my computers have returned. |
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Don't be frustrated. Generally the credit is already yours, just not guaranteed.
If all the rest of your tasks worked 100%, then there's no reason to suspect that these last 2 tasks will be invalid.
Yeah there is no point worrying - the project will still be going if the tasks are aborted/time out.
I don't want to jinx anything by mentioning the state of WW tasks my computers have returned.
I'm waiting for 32 tasks to validate. |
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Don't be frustrated. Generally the credit is already yours, just not guaranteed.
If all the rest of your tasks worked 100%, then there's no reason to suspect that these last 2 tasks will be invalid.
Yeah there is no point worrying - the project will still be going if the tasks are aborted/time out.
I don't want to jinx anything by mentioning the state of WW tasks my computers have returned.
I'm waiting for 32 tasks to validate.
Ah I see your predicament. 32 tasks to get exactly 20,000,000?
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Don't be frustrated. Generally the credit is already yours, just not guaranteed.
If all the rest of your tasks worked 100%, then there's no reason to suspect that these last 2 tasks will be invalid.
Yeah there is no point worrying - the project will still be going if the tasks are aborted/time out.
I don't want to jinx anything by mentioning the state of WW tasks my computers have returned.
I'm waiting for 32 tasks to validate.
Ah I see your predicament. 32 tasks to get exactly 20,000,000?
I shouldn't whinge about 2 tasks.
Well I wont be landing on an exact number to get a Million as it does not divide that well.
However with 480,000 points I just downloaded 10 tasks so that is worth 120,000 giving me 600,000, so I will need 34 more tasks to get to my goal (it will end up at 1,008,000, I think, once I get enough WUs).
At least you guys have already processed your required work units, I still have to get them.
Conan
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Well I wont be landing on an exact number to get a Million as it does not divide that well.
However with 480,000 points I just downloaded 10 tasks so that is worth 120,000 giving me 600,000, so I will need 34 more tasks to get to my goal (it will end up at 1,008,000, I think, once I get enough WUs).
At least you guys have already processed your required work units, I still have to get them.
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I'm rounding off at an even 250 million. It's been fun.
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I broke the 400 million mark. Don't think there's enough work left to get me to 500 million. I'm going to ride it out until the challenge in a couple days and then hop off. |
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The leading edge is currently 18198.781P.
This means the project is 98.66% complete.
In the last month, the project has averaged 22650 tasks per day, which means the project has about 7 more days before it will be completed at the current monthly rate.
In the last day, the project completed 24880 tasks, which means the project has about 7 more days before it will be completed at the current rate.
There is about 1.98 billion credit left to be claimed for the project.
Realistically the upcoming challenge is probably going to draw some of the compute power away from the project and it will last a little bit longer than this.
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Hope so that the projects lasts a bit longer as I am aiming for the two million badge ;)
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Hope so that the projects lasts a bit longer as I am aiming for the two million badge ;)
You only need 30 tasks (including the one you're on) which is 75000 secs. You could aim for 5M & get that in under a week (bear in mind GFN challenge is due to start. |
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Sapphire reached w pending credit ... happy it worked ;)
Aborted rest of ww tasks, may somebody else close to a goal get it then. gl
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Sapphire reached w pending credit ... happy it worked ;)
Aborted rest of ww tasks, may somebody else close to a goal get it then. gl
Well done!
I need a few hundred for Emerald, but don't know if I'll make it. If I do, I will also abort any extra tasks to give someone else a chance.
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thx :)
gl verymuch indeed!
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Hope so that the projects lasts a bit longer as I am aiming for the two million badge ;)
You only need 30 tasks (including the one you're on) which is 75000 secs. You could aim for 5M & get that in under a week (bear in mind GFN challenge is due to start.
Thanks - reached the 2 million - will give it a go at the 5 million badge now :)
You are right, people moving to the Challenge might leave enough WUs for me left.
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Hope so that the projects lasts a bit longer as I am aiming for the two million badge ;)
You only need 30 tasks (including the one you're on) which is 75000 secs. You could aim for 5M & get that in under a week (bear in mind GFN challenge is due to start.
Thanks - reached the 2 million - will give it a go at the 5 million badge now :)
You are right, people moving to the Challenge might leave enough WUs for me left.
You may want to track http://www.primegrid.com/server_status_subprojects.php and eventually grab a cache of work units to complete as it gets closer to the final value. We're about 100P from the final work units being generated.
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The leading edge is currently 18367.816P.
This means the project is 99.57% complete.
In the last month, the project has averaged 22870 tasks per day, which means the project has about 2 more days before it will be completed at the current monthly rate.
In the last day, the project completed 13260 tasks, which means the project has about 4 more days before it will be completed at the current rate.
There is about 0.63 billion credit left to be claimed for the project.
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Don't be frustrated. Generally the credit is already yours, just not guaranteed.
If all the rest of your tasks worked 100%, then there's no reason to suspect that these last 2 tasks will be invalid.
Yeah there is no point worrying - the project will still be going if the tasks are aborted/time out.
I don't want to jinx anything by mentioning the state of WW tasks my computers have returned.
I'm waiting for 32 tasks to validate.
Ah I see your predicament. 32 tasks to get exactly 20,000,000?
I shouldn't whinge about 2 tasks.
Well I wont be landing on an exact number to get a Million as it does not divide that well.
However with 480,000 points I just downloaded 10 tasks so that is worth 120,000 giving me 600,000, so I will need 34 more tasks to get to my goal (it will end up at 1,008,000, I think, once I get enough WUs).
At least you guys have already processed your required work units, I still have to get them.
Conan
I have moved to 984,000 points and now need just 16,000 points for a Million. I need 2 more work units to get there, hope I can get them as a heap of back up work from other projects has downloaded and needs to run out before more Primegrid will down load.
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The work units we use here, have a length of 3T (meaning 3 "tera", or 3 times 10^12). They start (and end) at an integral number of T which is 1 mod 3 (if you know what I mean).
This should mean that the last normal work unit should have:
start: 18446740T = 18446740000000000000
end: 18446743T = 18446743000000000000
This leaves a little oddsized interval from 18446743000000000000 up to 18446744073709551616, about 35.79% of the length of a normal full work unit.
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I have moved to 984,000 points and now need just 16,000 points for a Million. I need 2 more work units to get there, hope I can get them as a heap of back up work from other projects has downloaded and needs to run out before more Primegrid will down load.
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This leaves a little oddsized interval from 18446743000000000000 up to 18446744073709551616, about 35.79% of the length of a normal full work unit.
The range [18446744T; 2^64[ has been tested, it was one of the validation tests of the application.
I don't remember for [18446743T, 18446744T[ but it can be tested quickly with WWocl.
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I have moved to 984,000 points and now need just 16,000 points for a Million. I need 2 more work units to get there, hope I can get them as a heap of back up work from other projects has downloaded and needs to run out before more Primegrid will down load.
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Abort some of the other work if you want to get those PG units now.
Made it to a million.
Thanks composite, but I upped the priority from 1200 to 2000 and that did the trick. I can drop it back now I have reached my goal.
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Just got a 20M sapphire blue badge and exactly 20,000,000 credits ;)
Since 20M is not divisible by 12,000, I assume earlier tasks gave different credit score. Any idea what was the previous credit per task? |
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It was. Hence you can only hit a bullseye every 3M depending on what your old/new unit interaction was at the time of 'the change'. |
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And we're done. We are all out of work.
There's a chance a few resends will be available now and then until the last tasks are finally validated.
Thank you all for participating!
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Great news !
altough it is a pity that we haven't found what we were looking for ...
yet ... or still !
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And we're done. We are all out of work.
Darn, I would have needed another 185 WUs to download to get my next badge.
Oh well, you win you lose some.
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Project has definitively ended.
Proved that no new Wieferich or Wall–Sun–Sun primes exist below 2^64 (about 18*10^18, or 18 quintillion). Of course, the found near-misses can be seen on /stats_ww.php.
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Alas, didn't make it to the next badge at a million, even going all out on my little laptop it takes almost 2 solid days with all four cores to finish one WW task, so would have needed a miracle in the first place to get there. Oh well. It's all just fake internet points and badges anyway, on to the next project and badge! Time to focus on Cullen and Woodall! |
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WW is still selectable as a project.
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WW is still selectable as a project.
Yup, it's truly done. All the workunits are purged. Thanks for letting me know. I'll remove the appropriate stuff from the website soon(ish).
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Dave
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Done, d-u-n. |
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Michael GoetzVolunteer moderator
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WW is still selectable as a project.
Yup, it's truly done. All the workunits are purged. Thanks for letting me know. I'll remove the appropriate stuff from the website soon(ish).
WW is removed from the appropriate places on the website. Let me know if I missed anything.
Results and stuff will remain in perpetuity.
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SkyFallVolunteer tester
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Hi Michael
Thank you very much!
Currently, WW is still visible in/on (but I'm unsure if these qualify as "stuff" :-P ):
- Fastest GPU list: http://www.primegrid.com/gpu_list.php#WW
- Task status: http://www.primegrid.com/server_status_tasks.php
- Applications: http://www.primegrid.com/apps.php
Kind regards
SkyFall
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Michael GoetzVolunteer moderator
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Currently, WW is still visible in/on (but I'm unsure if these qualify as "stuff" :-P ):
- Fastest GPU list: http://www.primegrid.com/gpu_list.php#WW
- Task status: http://www.primegrid.com/server_status_tasks.php
- Applications: http://www.primegrid.com/apps.php
Thanks.
GPU list is an oversight, and I'll remove it.
Task status is "stuff" and will remain there.
Applications is automatic and will go away once we deactivate the WW app, which we'll do once we're sure it's safe to do so.
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WW is still selectable as a project.
Yup, it's truly done. All the workunits are purged. Thanks for letting me know. I'll remove the appropriate stuff from the website soon(ish).
WW is removed from the appropriate places on the website. Let me know if I missed anything.
Results and stuff will remain in perpetuity.
I noticed that WW is still listed in "other available badges" at the bottom of the "Your Badges" page:
https://www.primegrid.com/show_badges.php?userid=1548683
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My largest prime: 342924651 · 2^3394939-1 (1,021,988 digits)
My largest twin prime: 12599682117 · 2^211088+/-1 (63,554 digits)
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WW is still selectable as a project.
Yup, it's truly done. All the workunits are purged. Thanks for letting me know. I'll remove the appropriate stuff from the website soon(ish).
WW is removed from the appropriate places on the website. Let me know if I missed anything.
Results and stuff will remain in perpetuity.
I noticed that WW is still listed in "other available badges" at the bottom of the "Your Badges" page:
https://www.primegrid.com/show_badges.php?userid=1548683
It's now been fixed.
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My largest prime: 342924651 · 2^3394939-1 (1,021,988 digits)
My largest twin prime: 12599682117 · 2^211088+/-1 (63,554 digits)
My pictures: https://www.flickr.com/people/michael-kwok/ |
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why stop at 64 bits? why not increase the program to 128 bits? |
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Yves GallotVolunteer developer
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why stop at 64 bits? why not increase the program to 128 bits?
See https://www.primegrid.com/forum_thread.php?id=10037&nowrap=true#157985 |
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