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1) Message boards : Number crunching : New PrimeGrid Policy - Monetization of BOINC credit (Message 122209)
Posted 812 days ago by Ralph BrockesProject donor
...Because of the money, even if tiny, it is money.



Yes, it is tiny, but like all cryptocurrencies the possibility exists for the value to increase considerably - look at Bitcoin, and Litecoin, and DASH, and Ethereum... I purchased almost 10000GRC myself in the last couple of weeks on an exchange. I encourage all other cryptocurrency fans to do the same :) Unlike a lot of the other lesser coins, at least GRC stands for something. Too bad it's reputation has been sullied somewhat by greed.
2) Message boards : Number crunching : New PrimeGrid Policy - Monetization of BOINC credit (Message 122013)
Posted 814 days ago by Ralph BrockesProject donor
GRC is up 5.6% in the last 24 hours!
3) Message boards : Number crunching : New PrimeGrid Policy - Monetization of BOINC credit (Message 121943)
Posted 815 days ago by Ralph BrockesProject donor
why are you attacking so much?! I'm in team Gridcoin just like you and refer you to my original post

You wrote here http://www.primegrid.com/forum_thread.php?id=8272&nowrap=true#121899
It's slowly coming out on this thread that many Gridcoiners are after as much credit in as short a time as possible - up to and including hacking and cheating. The Collatz project was a victim of this, and I saw that some Gridcoiners abort Genefer21 tasks assigned to the CPU because of the time taken to complete. That's the threat that primegrid sees, hence the decision.

That's nonsense and FUD. There is absolutely no threat in aborting tasks and all work is double-checked with PrimeGrid, so it's impossible to hack the tasks like they did at Collatz. Get your facts straight.



Dude. Chill out. Right now I'm happily crunching away on grcpool. In the future maybe I'll come back to primegrid and crunch 'just for the fun of it'. I never said aborting tasks was a threat. I said the implications of it could be perceived as a threat. Ultimately I guess I see primegrids point of view, but I don't agree with it. Nuff said.

4) Message boards : Number crunching : New PrimeGrid Policy - Monetization of BOINC credit (Message 121928)
Posted 815 days ago by Ralph BrockesProject donor
My point was the slowest tasks might be perceived as prone to hacking due to the high amount of credit.

Well, it's another wrong point then. GFN tasks are issued with much less credits (proportionally) than shorter tasks like PPS Sieve. And even if someone managed to hack them, it would be a wasted effort because such hacked tasks cannot pass double-checking then.



...why are you attacking so much?! I'm in team Gridcoin just like you and refer you to my original post...


http://www.primegrid.com/forum_thread.php?id=8272&nowrap=true#121886

...and futhermore I do not agree with primegrids decision, in case you think I'm defending them. The world of science is full of capital investment in research, grants, etc., etc. so this benevolent and altruistic nonsense is somewhat mystifying. Sure, for the vast majority of us providing our spare computer time is a hobby, but there is nothing wrong with getting a reward for it.
5) Message boards : Number crunching : New PrimeGrid Policy - Monetization of BOINC credit (Message 121922)
Posted 815 days ago by Ralph BrockesProject donor
The whole thing is so absurd and so devoid of any valid arguments that even aborting tasks is presented as a threat. I am very sorry to see such ineptitude here.



My point was the slowest tasks might be perceived as prone to hacking due to the high amount of credit.
6) Message boards : Number crunching : New PrimeGrid Policy - Monetization of BOINC credit (Message 121899)
Posted 815 days ago by Ralph BrockesProject donor
Ralph Brockes wrote:
A quick zoom around some forums revealed a lot of Gridcoiners abort CPU assigned Genefer21 tasks.

Sorry, but I don't see the issue? Or what it has to do with my question (if it was supposed to be addressed to it).


It's slowly coming out on this thread that many Gridcoiners are after as much credit in as short a time as possible - up to and including hacking and cheating. The Collatz project was a victim of this, and I saw that some Gridcoiners abort Genefer21 tasks assigned to the CPU because of the time taken to complete. That's the threat that primegrid sees, hence the decision.
7) Message boards : Number crunching : New PrimeGrid Policy - Monetization of BOINC credit (Message 121892)
Posted 815 days ago by Ralph BrockesProject donor
Ah well, that's a shame. But while I ultimately do not agree with this decision, I can understand it to some extent and respect it.

I wonder, though; is the double-check system not considered a sufficient safeguard for cheaters?



A quick zoom around some forums revealed a lot of Gridcoiners abort CPU assigned Genefer21 tasks.
8) Message boards : Number crunching : New PrimeGrid Policy - Monetization of BOINC credit (Message 121888)
Posted 815 days ago by Ralph BrockesProject donor
...considering what happened to Collatz...



What happened to Collatz? Had a quick look on their site but didn't see anything.
9) Message boards : Number crunching : New PrimeGrid Policy - Monetization of BOINC credit (Message 121886)
Posted 815 days ago by Ralph BrockesProject donor
I jumped back into grcpool a couple of weeks ago and noticed that primegrid was already no longer whitelisted. I was happy to continue crunching your tasks for my GRC, but so be it. As a matter of fact, when I built my 16 core i9 (with 1080Ti) earlier this year, the most exciting project for me was primegrid and I was actually doing very well in your rankings tables! I even donated to your project. The last couple of years though I've been dabbling with cryptocurrencies and was eager to see what this computer could do.

I really don't know how much would be gained by cheating though. Again on grcpool, I'm doing quite well in their rankings, but I'm only making pennies a day. Anybody cheating to such an extent they were making a great deal of coins would surely be easy to spot and disable? Maybe it's just a distrust of cryptocurrency world in general?
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