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Message 154453 - Posted: 22 Feb 2022 | 20:14:51 UTC

I have an idea that may be fun.
How about a contest where:
1: You have to sign up to be in.
2: You can only use one computer with a max of 6 or maybe 8 threads. (Most have a 6 core in this day and age?)
3: Can't hide your computer so everyone can see.
4: Run PPS-MEGA, MT or single thread your choice. Still only the 6 or 8 threads (Whet ever agreed to)
5: Seven to fourteen days (Whet ever amount of time agreed to. Or until a prime is found.)
6: Have to declare what computer you will use at the beginning. (Like Thing1 or LinuxBox2)
7: Has to be DL after the start and turned in before the end.

Can have two winners, fist prime and the most primes.
It most likely will have to be the honor system.

This will eliminate any advantage of having a large amount of cores.
MEGA LLR2 would eliminate the need for being the first returned. (Easiest mega to find?)
Would be a contest to see who really are the lucky prime finders.
I truly believe finding primes is all about luck. Lets see who the lucky ones are.

Is it doable and would there be any interest? I would be in for sure.

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Message 154454 - Posted: 22 Feb 2022 | 20:24:41 UTC - in response to Message 154453.
Last modified: 22 Feb 2022 | 20:25:31 UTC

I have an idea that may be fun.
How about a contest where:
1: You have to sign up to be in.
2: You can only use one computer with a max of 6 or maybe 8 threads. (Most have a 6 core in this day and age?)
3: Can't hide your computer so everyone can see.
4: Run PPS-MEGA, MT or single thread your choice. Still only the 6 or 8 threads (Whet ever agreed to)
5: Seven to fourteen days (Whet ever amount of time agreed to. Or until a prime is found.)
6: Have to declare what computer you will use at the beginning. (Like Thing1 or LinuxBox2)
7: Has to be DL after the start and turned in before the end.

Can have two winners, fist prime and the most primes.
It most likely will have to be the honor system.

This will eliminate any advantage of having a large amount of cores.
MEGA LLR2 would eliminate the need for being the first returned. (Easiest mega to find?)
Would be a contest to see who really are the lucky prime finders.
I truly believe finding primes is all about luck. Lets see who the lucky ones are.

Is it doable and would there be any interest? I would be in for sure.

It is a nice idea. Very nice. You can hear the but coming.
It is too complicated.
And it would be unfair if I used 6 or 8 threads of one of my computers - voom! - like a rat out of an aqueduct! (I think I may have been just wanting to quote Monty Python)

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Message 154465 - Posted: 22 Feb 2022 | 22:11:44 UTC - in response to Message 154453.

I like the idea, and nearly everything you can think of is possible if you do it as a rather informal fun event where the participants can trust each other to play by the rules.

The problems start as soon as this is not the case and there is no way to prove beyond doubt that everyone played by the rules. In particular, it is trivial to have the BOINC client report a wrong number of cores, not too hard to fake the reported CPU, and possible to download and report tasks on one computer but crunch them on different computers.

On a different note, AMD's mainstream desktop CPUs currently have up to 16 cores, Intel's high-end desktop CPUs, let alone workstation and server CPUs, can have even more cores, so there might already be several potential participants who exceed the 8-thread limit with all their competitive CPUs (I'm planning to join that group soon). A better idea than a limited number of cores might be to normalize the time by number of cores.
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Message 154466 - Posted: 22 Feb 2022 | 22:28:46 UTC - in response to Message 154465.

If you have >8 cores you'd just limit yourself to the maxmum permitted (e.g 1 CCD), keeping it within the rules & fair.

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Message 154467 - Posted: 22 Feb 2022 | 22:45:11 UTC
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Maybe tweak the idea.
You have to complete 1 of everything in the shortest time.
Maybe the order has to be specified.
You'd have to be so on the ball.

I slight concern - these ideas have gone to unusual places before - and I mean people started talking about who couldn't be with this idea because they had too much fire power in computing.

I'm just having ideas. Prime battleship. I get this prime and sink your computer.
Only a wisp of an idea.

Edit: The people running this show just want work done - probably not some game where we pretend we are in warfare - as amusing as that may be. I come up with unusual ideas.

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Message 154470 - Posted: 22 Feb 2022 | 23:58:21 UTC - in response to Message 154467.
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Maybe tweak the idea.
You have to complete 1 of everything in the shortest time.
Maybe the order has to be specified.
You'd have to be so on the ball.

I like this idea. It's a rally. Each different prime type is a checkpoint.
Could keep it to smaller primes to make it a feasible challenge.
Some repetition allowed in the "course". Laps?

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Maybe tweak the idea.
You have to complete 1 of everything in the shortest time.
Maybe the order has to be specified.
You'd have to be so on the ball.

I like this idea. It's a rally. Each different prime type is a checkpoint.
Could keep it to smaller primes to make it a feasible challenge.
Some repetition allowed in the "course". Laps?

We are only workshopping an idea.
The intensity of it!
Le mans?
In that you have a driver for 6 hours?
I mean how could you do this?
Edit: If it is a 24 hour thing then it is PPS sieve or WW?

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Message 154501 - Posted: 23 Feb 2022 | 22:48:53 UTC - in response to Message 154465.

On a different note, AMD's mainstream desktop CPUs currently have up to 16 cores, Intel's high-end desktop CPUs, let alone workstation and server CPUs, can have even more cores, so there might already be several potential participants who exceed the 8-thread limit with all their competitive CPUs (I'm planning to join that group soon). A better idea than a limited number of cores might be to normalize the time by number of cores.


More cores usually mean more cache, so normalizing it would be harder since tasks would more easily fit in cache of say 12c CPUs than 4c/2c CPUs.
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