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Similar to AP27 is expected
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Maybe off-topic, but when is it planned to start exactly?
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Before Nov.29th. There will be an official notice when it starts.
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Maybe off-topic, but when is it planned to start exactly?
As soon as possible after the current challenge ends. We want to give people as much time as possible to run WW before they switch their GPUs over to GFN for the December challenge. If there's no unexpected problems, it will probably happen within a few days of the challenge ending. Or a few hours. It depends on if there are any unforeseen problems.
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Is this an INT32 or FP32 project?
How's the credit going to compare to AP27 if the runtime is similar?
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Is this an INT32 or FP32 project?
How's the credit going to compare to AP27 if the runtime is similar?
I haven't looked at the code, but it's likely to be int64. There's no reason for it to be using floating point, and it definitely is using 64 bit math.
Runtimes and credit are intended to be similar to AP27. Credit will be 4000 credits per task, unless we change the task size.
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Will it use the conventional double-checking system, i.e. two identical tasks to two users?
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Will it use the conventional double-checking system, i.e. two identical tasks to two users?
I'm just guessing that, yes. Confirmation needed.
It's a GPU application and not an LLR2 one.
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Will it use the conventional double-checking system, i.e. two identical tasks to two users?
Yes. The fast double checking is only applicable to LLR and Genefer. Nothing else. The fast double checking is not a general technique that can be used with everything. It's very specific to the type of calculations done in LLR and Genefer.
Therefore it is going to have full double checking.
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Mike is correct, 64 bit integer math is used on the gpu. The standard double checking is used because each WW workunit is testing millions of primes. A LLR2 workunit is testing just one number for primality, allowing for a fast dc test. |
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Will we be starting from where the last PG search started?
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Will we be starting from where the last PG search started?
That would mean that we trust the work that other people have done. Do I seem like a trusting person? :)
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Will we be starting from where the last PG search started?
That would mean that we trust the work that other people have done. Do I seem like a trusting person? :)
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Will we be starting from where the last PG search started?
That would mean that we trust the work that other people have done. Do I seem like a trusting person? :)
Translation: Nope, starting back at ground zero.
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That would mean that we trust the work that other people have done. Do I seem like a trusting person? :) That's the spirit! :D
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I predict we will find two Wieferich primes in work unit 0. /JeppeSN |
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I predict we will find two Wieferich primes in work unit 0. /JeppeSN
It is certain that we will find two :)
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The one with the first WU will get the prime found badge :)
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Or the very first WU that surpasses the previously searched range is prime. |
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Will the CPU app use any of those "fancy" instruction sets like AVX or SSE, or will it just use regular, plain x86?
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Looks like preferences are now available just waiting on actual units. |
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Will the CPU app use any of those "fancy" instruction sets like AVX or SSE, or will it just use regular, plain x86?
No vector operations at this time. |
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Are these short or long tasks generally?
roughly 25 minutes on a 1080 Ti, fwiw.
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Around 980 - 1000 sec for a Radeon VII. (16min)
2730 sec for Vega 56.(45min) Ewww.
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4911 sec (83min) R9 280X
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Okay, have had a chance to run these across a number of cards. Here is a brief summary of times for all of them (*note: A single value means it ran on a single card. A range means times come from at least two cards with variation often due to different shader clocks).
Turing
RTX 2070 - 600 to 620 seconds
RTX 2060 - 650 to 690 seconds
GTX 1660 Ti - 805 seconds
Pascal
GTX 1080 (2nd gen) - 1680 seconds
GTX 1080 (1st gen) - 1940 seconds
GTX 1070 - 2225 to 2565 seconds
GTX 1060 6GB - 3570 to 3600 seconds
GTX 1060 3GB - 4150 to 4990 seconds
Quadro P1000 - 8310 seconds
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GTX 960 - 6230 to 7000 seconds
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Running on a Gtx 1050, I've got a task on 6420s, but most fell in the 6750~6950s range. |
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Running on a Gtx 1050, I've got a task on 6420s, but most fell in the 6750~6950s range.
Snap, 6400ish. |
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RTX 2070 - 600 to 620 seconds
RTX 2060 - 650 to 690 seconds
GTX 1660 Ti - 805 seconds Thanks, that's interesting. I will test a 1660 super soon. It's much cheaper, so it'll be interesting how it performs.
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GTX 1650 super (os: linux) ~1.000 seconds
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Running a GTX 1660 Super - averaging between 860-910 sec depending on workunit.
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Ryzen 5950X 16c 122 minutes, 2*8c 2*257 minutes
RX 5700XT 2100 seconds |
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830 seconds using a free Google Cloud virtual PC running Linux on Intel(R) Xeon CPU @ 2.20GHz and a Tesla T4 (4095MB) GPU.
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GTX 760: 9204 ~ 9475 seconds (Dec 1, 2020) |
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For a CPU time, my Broadwell i5 2.9 GHz had a 136k second run time on 2 cores, 246k second CPU time
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GT 710 - 107000 seconds
Yes, I run it as kind of joke. Running this thing on 4-core CPU was more then 3 times efficient (31000 seconds).
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GT 710 - 107000 seconds
Yes, I run it as kind of joke. Running this thing on 4-core CPU was more then 3 times efficient (31000 seconds).
My i3-4130 is quicker than that.
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GT 710 - 107000 seconds
Yes, I run it as kind of joke. Running this thing on 4-core CPU was more then 3 times efficient (31000 seconds).
I've still got a GTX 285 running. I was going to see if it could handle a task.
The 4-core i7-950 it's attached to is taking about 83,100 seconds, or just under a day. |
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I've still got a GTX 285 running. I was going to see if it could handle a task.
I am pretty sure that it won't run it. I think you will need a Fermi card or newer to run WW as the elements used in the app require a compute capability that was introduced in those cards. |
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I've still got a GTX 285 running. I was going to see if it could handle a task.
I am pretty sure that it won't run it. I think you will need a Fermi card or newer to run WW as the elements used in the app require a compute capability that was introduced in those cards.
Well shoot, sounds like the GTX 285 may be becoming obsolete. |
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I am have trouble figure out my 1660Ti. It is running about 1600 sec a task, this is about twice the time that Scott Brown has stated for his 1660Ti. Looking at GPU-Z it shows that my card is running at half capacity. I tried updating my driver, but that has not helped.
Am I missing something that I should be looking at to solve my dilemma?
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I am have trouble figure out my 1660Ti. It is running about 1600 sec a task, this is about twice the time that Scott Brown has stated for his 1660Ti. Looking at GPU-Z it shows that my card is running at half capacity. I tried updating my driver, but that has not helped.
Am I missing something that I should be looking at to solve my dilemma?
Most likely, it is because you are on Windows 7 rather than Windows 10. Windows 10 allows for certain aspects of the WW app to work more efficiently than Windows 7 (indeed, this was causing significant screen lag on Windows 7 before the app went fully public and coding adjustments had to be made).
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Thanks for the response, unfortunately I am not moving away from win 7 anytime soon. I will just have to live with the increase in WU_Prop hours. :-)
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Thanks for the response, unfortunately I am not moving away from win 7 anytime soon. I will just have to live with the increase in WU_Prop hours. :-)
I also have a Windows 7 system and it is running a GTX 1660, getting about 950s per task.
https://www.primegrid.com/results.php?hostid=919869
The only think I could think of is that it is thermal throttling, as WW tends to utilize the core completely, or possibly a driver issue, but I took a look at one of your tasks and the software is correctly identifying the model and number of compute units, so I don't think that's the problem.
Ultimately, I don't really have an answer about why the performance is so low, but it is certainly unexpected when compared to a similar system.
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Thanks for the response, unfortunately I am not moving away from win 7 anytime soon. I will just have to live with the increase in WU_Prop hours. :-)
I also have a Windows 7 system and it is running a GTX 1660, getting about 950s per task.
https://www.primegrid.com/results.php?hostid=919869
The only think I could think of is that it is thermal throttling, as WW tends to utilize the core completely, or possibly a driver issue, but I took a look at one of your tasks and the software is correctly identifying the model and number of compute units, so I don't think that's the problem.
Ultimately, I don't really have an answer about why the performance is so low, but it is certainly unexpected when compared to a similar system.
Good luck!
A long shot, but make sure that you have the card installed in the PCIe x16 lane. Slower lanes can choke the throughput of the card and produce slower times like you are seeing.
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830 seconds using a free Google Cloud virtual PC running Linux on Intel(R) Xeon CPU @ 2.20GHz and a Tesla T4 (4095MB) GPU.
Is that just the free trial or like free-free?
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Well a solution to my problem that works is to run two tasks simultaneously. The result is one task every 800 seconds or so. I no longer feel sad due to GPU envy. Eventually I will need to look into why my GPU was under-performing, but I will leave that for another day.
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830 seconds using a free Google Cloud virtual PC running Linux on Intel(R) Xeon CPU @ 2.20GHz and a Tesla T4 (4095MB) GPU.
Is that just the free trial or like free-free?
It actually the Google Colab (FREE TIER)
It runs in an OPEN Chrome web browser tab/window on your PC. You can only have one instance running at a time on your Google account.
You are not guaranteed a GPU. It will inform you if the GPU is not available when you try to run the instance.
Most of the time the instance will run about 6 to 8 hour before stopping. Sometimes it only run one to two hours.
The CPU is usually one of three:
* Intel(R) Xeon CPU @ 2.00GHz (2 Cores)
* Intel(R) Xeon CPU @ 2.20GHz (2 Cores)
* Intel(R) Xeon CPU @ 2.30GHz (2 Cores)
The GPU (when available) is usually one of two:
* NVIDIA Tesla T4 (4095MB)
* NVIDIA Tesla P100-PCIE-16GB (4095MB)
You can usually restart right after it stops but you more than likely loose any task(s) that were Unfinished (In Process).
More detail and how to setup for BOINC in this PrimeGrid topic: Google Colab and its free GPUs
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Thanks for the response, unfortunately I am not moving away from win 7 anytime soon. I will just have to live with the increase in WU_Prop hours. :-)
I also have a Windows 7 system and it is running a GTX 1660, getting about 950s per task.
I also have a 1660 super on Windows 7 which I cannot upgrade to 10 (or rather, only if absolutely necessary). So I hope that same as Kellen reported it'll work well. Can report as soon as I have GFN turquoise and switch to WW which should be in about 24 hours ;)
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When the project was new, I downloaded one workunit to try as I was interested in the new project. According to the "task status" page (if I am reading the graph correctly), one workunit should take about 0.271 hours to run on GPU (= 16 minutes). However, after running the task for 20 minutes using my computer GPU, only about 1% of the task was completed, and the estimated remaining time was over 1 day.
As I was not running any other CPU or GPU tasks or programmes during that time, I was not sure what caused the task to run so slowly, so I aborted the task. Does anybody know what is causing this 100-fold increase in task duration? Also, how should I fix this problem? |
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When the project was new, I downloaded one workunit to try as I was interested in the new project. According to the "task status" page (if I am reading the graph correctly), one workunit should take about 0.271 hours to run on GPU (= 16 minutes). However, after running the task for 20 minutes using my computer GPU, only about 1% of the task was completed, and the estimated remaining time was over 1 day.
As I was not running any other CPU or GPU tasks or programmes during that time, I was not sure what caused the task to run so slowly, so I aborted the task. Does anybody know what is causing this 100-fold increase in task duration? Also, how should I fix this problem?
A car is a vehicle that can transport you from one place to another. But not all cars are the same. One's experience driving a Ferrari will be different than driving a Yugo.
Thus it is with computers, and with GPUs. Your mobile Geforce 710M is unfortunately pretty much the slowest GPU that is available today. The desktop version of the 710 is about 150 times slower than the fastest available GPU, and while I don't have data for the mobile version of the 710, usually the mobile GPUs are about 3 times slower than their desktop counterparts.
All this is to say that what's caused the task to run so slowly is simply that this is the speed your GPU is capable of running. Since this appears to be laptop computer, and it's usually not possible to upgrade the GPU in a laptop, there's little you can do to speed up the task short of using a different computer.
You might want to try running the task on your CPU and ignoring your GPU altogether. Set the preferences on the Primegrid website to "use all available threads". Your CPU is decent, if not extraordinary, but your GPU is incredibly slow. I'd recommend using the CPU instead.
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I see...
Originally I thought it was a problem with my computer running this specific task because my GPU can run PPS-Sieve tasks (3000 credits) in ~1 hour 40 minutes, so I thought WW tasks (4000 credits) would take ~2 hours.
But what you said makes sense, my computer is nearly half as old as myself so it does not have modern fast processors... just that I did not expect it to be 100 times more slow than the new processors (that's like a tortoise (1 km/h) vs a car!) |
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I see...
Originally I thought it was a problem with my computer running this specific task because my GPU can run PPS-Sieve tasks (3000 credits) in ~1 hour 40 minutes, so I thought WW tasks (4000 credits) would take ~2 hours.
But what you said makes sense, my computer is nearly half as old as myself so it does not have modern fast processors... just that I did not expect it to be 100 times more slow than the new processors (that's like a tortoise (1 km/h) vs a car!)
I am intrigued that you say that your computer ran PPS-SIEVE tasks in about an hour and 40 minutes. That doesn't seem possible, but maybe I'm missing something. I don't see any current PPS-Sieve tasks for you. Would it be possible for you to run one?
Or were you thinking of PPS-MEGA tasks, which are run on your CPU? That's a reasonable time for PPS-MEGA, and you do have a bunch of those. As I said, your CPU is decent, if a bit old. But the GPU is intended for simple office work, and definitely not gaming or crunching.
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I have downloaded and began to run one PPS-Sieve task using GPU. Progress is 3.725% at the 4 minute mark (there was a small delay before the percentage started to increase). I have work to do on my computer so the task may proceed slightly slower, but right now the estimated time from start to finish is ~1 hour 47 minutes.
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Ok, the PPS-Sieve task is finished. Elapsed time: 1 hour, 43 minutes and 58 seconds; CPU time of 13 minutes and 34 seconds |
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Runtimes and credit are intended to be similar to AP27.
Credit will be 4000 credits per task, unless we change the task size.
Now that WW tasks have been completed, are you considering modifying the credit?
- AP27 --- 27.5 hours average CPU time --- 4,043 credit
- WW --- 77.4 hours average CPU time --- 4,000 credit
- ESP --- 78.3 hours average CPU time --- 11,575 credit |
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Ok, the PPS-Sieve task is finished. Elapsed time: 1 hour, 43 minutes and 58 seconds; CPU time of 13 minutes and 34 seconds
Honestly, I don't have a great explanation for why that WW task took so long. As best as I can tell, with an old GPU like that, you should be seeing a WW task take somewhere between 5 and 10 times as long as a PPS-Sieve task.
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Ok, the PPS-Sieve task is finished. Elapsed time: 1 hour, 43 minutes and 58 seconds; CPU time of 13 minutes and 34 seconds
Honestly, I don't have a great explanation for why that WW task took so long. As best as I can tell, with an old GPU like that, you should be seeing a WW task take somewhere between 5 and 10 times as long as a PPS-Sieve task.
Perhaps the memory? WW requires a few to several hundred MB for the tasks. On a mobile GPU system (especially from the Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge series), the listed memory is often shared system RAM. Since system RAM is considerably slower than VRAM, this could be behind some exceptionally long run times.
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Runtimes and credit are intended to be similar to AP27.
Credit will be 4000 credits per task, unless we change the task size.
Now that WW tasks have been completed, are you considering modifying the credit?
- AP27 --- 27.5 hours average CPU time --- 4,043 credit
- WW --- 77.4 hours average CPU time --- 4,000 credit
- ESP --- 78.3 hours average CPU time --- 11,575 credit
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Decided to run one on my old laptop with 2 cores - currently been running for 4d 23:56 and at 85% complete. :) Yeah, I know it's kinda silly, but wanted to see how long it would take. |
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Thanks for the response, unfortunately I am not moving away from win 7 anytime soon. I will just have to live with the increase in WU_Prop hours. :-)
I also have a Windows 7 system and it is running a GTX 1660, getting about 950s per task.
https://www.primegrid.com/results.php?hostid=919869
The only think I could think of is that it is thermal throttling, as WW tends to utilize the core completely, or possibly a driver issue, but I took a look at one of your tasks and the software is correctly identifying the model and number of compute units, so I don't think that's the problem.
Unfortunately, I ran into the same problem. Each task takes about 1780 s and only 50% of the GPU are utilized. I could upgrade to Windows 10 or run two tasks simultaneously (with a really low 1st rate), but since you are apparently able to run it under Win 7 without problems, it seems there is some unknown fix.
Temperatures are around 70 °C as opposed to 79 °C when running GFN which utilized around 90%.
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I am have trouble figure out my 1660Ti. It is running about 1600 sec a task, this is about twice the time that Scott Brown has stated for his 1660Ti. Looking at GPU-Z it shows that my card is running at half capacity. I tried updating my driver, but that has not helped.
Am I missing something that I should be looking at to solve my dilemma?
Most likely, it is because you are on Windows 7 rather than Windows 10. Windows 10 allows for certain aspects of the WW app to work more efficiently than Windows 7 (indeed, this was causing significant screen lag on Windows 7 before the app went fully public and coding adjustments had to be made).
Aha, this also helps explain the difference in times between my GTX 1060's and Anthony's. My system is still Win7, and I'm seeing low GPU utilization (~50%).
I also tried running 2 tasks per card. It helped a little: utilization started bouncing between 60-80%. But overall it's not helping much. Might be time to contemplate an OS upgrade.
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Is there minimum requirements for GPU?
It seems to be that of my old GT 620's and 710 doesn't get any WW gpu workunits.
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Michael Goetz Volunteer moderator Project administrator
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Is there minimum requirements for GPU?
It seems to be that of my old GT 620's and 710 doesn't get any WW gpu workunits.
In order to be sent WW tasks for an Nvidia GPU, all of the following must be true:
* The compute capacity (i.e., the features of the GPU, not its speed) must be at least CC 2.0
* The CUDA version (this is part of your video driver) must be at least 3.2
* The video driver version must be at least 175.0
* The amount of video ram on the GPU must be at least 1.5 GB
It appears to be the last one that is preventing you from getting tasks, because both of your GPUs have 1 GB of memory.
There's a good chance the CPUs in those computers are faster than the GPUs. Nvidia GPUs ending in "10" or "20" are bargain devices designed to provide basic video for CPU/motherboard combos that lack built in video, especially for office computers. They're very slow.
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In order to be sent WW tasks for an Nvidia GPU, all of the following must be true:
* The compute capacity (i.e., the features of the GPU, not its speed) must be at least CC 2.0
* The CUDA version (this is part of your video driver) must be at least 3.2
* The video driver version must be at least 175.0
* The amount of video ram on the GPU must be at least 1.5 GB
Thanks, didn't find those requirements anywhere. Should they be in under Preferences like GFN does?
It appears to be the last one that is preventing you from getting tasks, because both of your GPUs have 1 GB of memory.
Yep, thats it. CC, Cuda and driver are up to it, memory not.
There's a good chance the CPUs in those computers are faster than the GPUs. Nvidia GPUs ending in "10" or "20" are bargain devices designed to provide basic video for CPU/motherboard combos that lack built in video, especially for office computers. They're very slow.
I know my CPU's are faster, just trying for fun how long it would take :D
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Michael Goetz Volunteer moderator Project administrator
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Thanks, didn't find those requirements anywhere. Should they be in under Preferences like GFN does?
They're not anyplace you can see.
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In order to be sent WW tasks for an Nvidia GPU, all of the following must be true:
* The compute capacity (i.e., the features of the GPU, not its speed) must be at least CC 2.0
* The CUDA version (this is part of your video driver) must be at least 3.2
* The video driver version must be at least 175.0
* The amount of video ram on the GPU must be at least 1.5 GB
Thanks, didn't find those requirements anywhere. Should they be in under Preferences like GFN does?
I've lowered the requirement down to 1 GB. You should be able to run it now.
It turns out that the amount of memory you need is proportional to the speed (really, the number of cores) of the GPU. So while larger, faster GPUs *do* need 1.5 GB, slower/smaller GPUs like yours do not. So it's safe to lower the limit. GPUs that will actually need that much VRAM because they have so many cores will have enough VRAM to handle it.
Until someone inexplicably produces a GPU with 20,000 CUDA cores and half a GB of VRAM. :)
EDIT: I've removed the memory requirement for WW altogether.
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I've lowered the requirement down to 1 GB. You should be able to run it now.
It turns out that the amount of memory you need is proportional to the speed (really, the number of cores) of the GPU. So while larger, faster GPUs *do* need 1.5 GB, slower/smaller GPUs like yours do not. So it's safe to lower the limit. GPUs that will actually need that much VRAM because they have so many cores will have enough VRAM to handle it.
Until someone inexplicably produces a GPU with 20,000 CUDA cores and half a GB of VRAM. :)
EDIT: I've removed the memory requirement for WW altogether.
Okay, first wu in progress, have to look tomorrow how long it will take, afk.
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my brand new gtx1650 4g gddr6 is getting a stable output of 23-24min per task :)
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Okay, first wu in progress, have to look tomorrow how long it will take, afk.
Thanks :)
You have at least 2 WW tasks completed and validated, one on a 620 and one on a 710 as of right now. CONGRATULATIONS!!! |
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Job cache is too small for this project. I am using an RTX 3090 FE GPU and each work unit takes about 4 minutes and 45 seconds to complete. Ever thought about greatly increasing the job cash for us high end GPU owners? |
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Job cache is too small for this project. I am using an RTX 3090 FE GPU and each work unit takes about 4 minutes and 45 seconds to complete. Ever thought about greatly increasing the job cash for us high end GPU owners?
What exactly do you mean by "job cache"? Most of the queue and buffer controls that affect job flow are actually set by the user rather than by the admins.
If your computer isn't requesting work, that's a setting on your side. You may need to look at the messages in your BOINC log to see whether or not your computer is requesting work when it contacts the server.
If it is requesting work and you're not getting any, unless you're trying to grab an ungodly number of tasks (which is a terrible strategy and you shouldn't be doing that), then the problem is likely that you have run out of wingmen and all the available tasks are from workunits where you've already run a task, and are thus ineligible to get another task. If this is the problem, there's little that can be done about it other than convincing other people to run WW or to diversify your task selection.
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Job cache is too small for this project. I am using an RTX 3090 FE GPU and each work unit takes about 4 minutes and 45 seconds to complete. Ever thought about greatly increasing the job cash for us high end GPU owners?
What exactly do you mean by "job cache"? Most of the queue and buffer controls that affect job flow are actually set by the user rather than by the admins.
If your computer isn't requesting work, that's a setting on your side. You may need to look at the messages in your BOINC log to see whether or not your computer is requesting work when it contacts the server.
If it is requesting work and you're not getting any, unless you're trying to grab an ungodly number of tasks (which is a terrible strategy and you shouldn't be doing that), then the problem is likely that you have run out of wingmen and all the available tasks are from workunits where you've already run a task, and are thus ineligible to get another task. If this is the problem, there's little that can be done about it other than convincing other people to run WW or to diversify your task selection.
I was referring to the NUMBER(amount) of tasks I receive each time I request more tasks. I have my settings at MAXIMUM (10 days' worth of tasks). So your response to my original post is irrelevant. The problem is on THEIR end, not mine.
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