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Message 130553 - Posted: 22 Jun 2019 | 15:02:09 UTC

Hi all, i hope you can help me, or at least point me to some new ideas.

Subprojects: The Riesel Problem LLR and other which allow to run one WU on all CPU cores at once. Set to 8 cores (HT on, simulate 8 cores).

My i9 9900k causes some high pitched noises when i run Primgrid on it.
I've been testing on two AsRock Z390 Tachi Ultimate and one MSI Z390 Carbon. I also have now the third i9 9900k (all P0 revision). I've tested with GPU and without, tried several PSUs, even very old ones, as well. Always the same noise. Watercooling (AIO) or aircooling makes no difference.

The only change of the noise was, when i changed the memory frequency.

The CPU runs quiet except when i run Primegrid. The CPU draws around 180W all at stock in the Bios. Prime95 draws up to 200W but all quiet.

I am in contact with Intel, again, because i sen't the first CPU to them. Now with the third CPU i've gone though all the first level support stuff again, and no answer for a week now. I've been asking for a R0 Revision CPU.

All my other Intel CPUs run well with the same setup. (4790k, 5665C, 3960X, 2600K...)

I am having the problem for half a year now, and i've no idea what else i could try.

My current hypothesis is, that the soldered heatspreader might act as an amplifier. But i won't delid any 9900k just to test it. If someone has a delidded one, it would be nice to test with it.

I have made 2 videos with the noise. But you have to watch them to the end (around 40 seconds each). At the end you hear the variations of the noises.

Dropbox links:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/99j5lrcjc7yicy3/20190528_194737.mp4?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a6ipb7l0jvjoo77/20190528_194548.mp4?dl=0

List of what i tired so far:

- Three i9 9900k
-Onboard GPU, different PCI-E GPUs
-at least three different PSUs
-two AsRock and one MSI mainboards
-AIO Watercooling, Aircooling
-different Memory (noise changes with memory speed)

If the cpu is under load, you can even hear a difference in the noise when you move windows on the desktop around.

If some else has a 9900k i hope this person could help me to repoduce the problem

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Message 130564 - Posted: 23 Jun 2019 | 7:38:24 UTC
Last modified: 23 Jun 2019 | 7:39:14 UTC

Clearly the problem is that your fans and hard disk drives are not loud enough to drown out the CPU sounds. ;)

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Message 130585 - Posted: 24 Jun 2019 | 9:07:24 UTC - in response to Message 130553.
Last modified: 24 Jun 2019 | 9:08:23 UTC

My i9 9900k causes some high pitched noises when i run Primgrid on it.

It's probably not the CPU itself but the VRMs on the motherboard (or the PSU itself). If I understand correctly the noise you are referring to is coil whine.

Quoting another website:
That shrill sound is known as coil whine, which is a phenomenon that can occur in an array of PC components, but it typically occurs when you start up an especially taxing program. [...] Coil whine, also known as electromagnetically excited acoustic noise and vibration or audible magnetic noise, is one of the most frustrating phenomena in modern technology. As its name suggests, this high-pitched noise is caused by electromagnetic coils that act as inductors or transformers.

AFAIK coil whine is completely harmless and there is nothing you should really worry about.

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Message 130616 - Posted: 24 Jun 2019 | 20:51:21 UTC - in response to Message 130585.

If it is coil whine then why does it not change when i use a Mainboard with a totally different VRM setup or a different PSU. The sound changes when i change the Memory Frequency.

Does anyone of you have a 9900k, so we could reproduce the problem i have?

And it is pretty damn loud for coil whine as well.

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Message 130617 - Posted: 24 Jun 2019 | 21:03:06 UTC

The sound will also change when you change project type. Useful for when you want to monitor what your PC's doing & an hear it but not see it. Tip: try AP :D.

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Message 130625 - Posted: 25 Jun 2019 | 1:02:27 UTC - in response to Message 130617.
Last modified: 25 Jun 2019 | 1:04:28 UTC

I bought the 9900k especially for Primegrid. And as far as i have seen i get the sound as soon as i run one workunit at all 8 cores. No matter the subproject, if it supports multithreading.
I am very curious about the new Ryzens. The way it looks they should be comparable in AVX performance to the Intel CPUs. If that is true, i will try to get rid of the 9900k.

Still nobody with a 9900k?

AP is for GPUs, so no very helpful for the CPU ;)

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Message 130630 - Posted: 25 Jun 2019 | 9:10:51 UTC - in response to Message 130625.

I still believe that there is nothing you should worry about. If all components are working correctly, it is probably coil whine and it could be coming from the CPU itself.

Happy crunching :D

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Message 130631 - Posted: 25 Jun 2019 | 10:13:05 UTC
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I have a 9900k too, in a Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra board. Runs fine, quiet as can be. I've had it on a number of projects, but mostly SRBase and PrimeGrid (LLR). The only thing I had to do what with the current summer temps is to implement an AVX offset of 1, since it was starting to throttle with smaller LLR tasks. It's currently running SoB MT'd on seven cores without an offset just fine, though.

I've had some current throttling and thermal issues when I had the chip in a cheaper board with an inferior VRM layout a few months back (which is why I decided to upgrade, since it's a PG build). With the old board I also remember some coil whine (or some kind of noise anyway) whenever it tackled AVX loads, but the CPU itself is behaving as it should.
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Message 130633 - Posted: 25 Jun 2019 | 10:50:16 UTC - in response to Message 130625.

AP is for GPUs, so no very helpful for the CPU ;)


If you look at your project preferences you will see that AP27 units CAN be run on a cpu.

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Message 131046 - Posted: 11 Jul 2019 | 18:58:45 UTC - in response to Message 130631.

I have a 9900k too, in a Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra board. Runs fine, quiet as can be. I've had it on a number of projects, but mostly.......



So yea, I have the same exact setup, and I have no high pitch sounds emanating from my rig, just the low hum of a few fans. Maybe it is the motherboard. I don't see how a CPU can possibly generate an audible sound, and I've never heard of that before. I know you have tried a couple mobos already, but sounds like you have also tried a couple CPUs too. It's interesting that the sound changes when you change the speed of the memory, that again leads me to think something with the mobos. VRMs can make sound, try a Gigabyte!! :)

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Message 131074 - Posted: 13 Jul 2019 | 15:22:39 UTC

Sebastian* asked me to do some testing on my system and I can confirm that there's a slight high-pitched sound when I ran TRP MT'd on 8 cores. Since the computer is on the other end of my living room, I didn't notice it unless I get really close to it, though. It's running without a case, so not sure if it would be noticeable at all all boxed up.

Strangely enough, running eight PPS tasks (or a maximum FPU stress test on Prime95) doesn't cause the sound.
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Message 131075 - Posted: 13 Jul 2019 | 16:33:12 UTC - in response to Message 131074.

It's running without a case

Reminds me of what the solicitor told me when I tried to claim for lost baggage: "Sorry you do not have a case".

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