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Message 7962 - Posted: 20 Dec 2007 | 20:26:41 UTC
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If n=333333 ranges run out without finding a twin prime, please consider changing to n=344208. I know it's bigger, but I've been informed by someone I trust very much about these things that n=344208 is a much better choice, statistically speaking.

edit: I'm going to sieve a range of 100M to try to come up with some stats.

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Message 7963 - Posted: 20 Dec 2007 | 22:05:45 UTC - in response to Message 7962.

If n=333333 ranges run out without finding a twin prime, please consider changing to n=344208. I know it's bigger, but I've been informed by someone I trust very much about these things that n=344208 is a much better choice, statistically speaking.

edit: I'm going to sieve a range of 100M to try to come up with some stats.


There is no way - I say, no way - to know if an n is more or less suitable for lower twin primes. If you start believing in those things you end up believing in horoscopes...

We are at 30% of the analyisis. Next n would be, I think 500.000. They are already sieving it...

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Message 7964 - Posted: 20 Dec 2007 | 22:20:13 UTC - in response to Message 7963.

If n=333333 ranges run out without finding a twin prime, please consider changing to n=344208. I know it's bigger, but I've been informed by someone I trust very much about these things that n=344208 is a much better choice, statistically speaking.

edit: I'm going to sieve a range of 100M to try to come up with some stats.


There is no way - I say, no way - to know if an n is more or less suitable for lower twin primes. If you start believing in those things you end up believing in horoscopes...

We are at 30% of the analyisis. Next n would be, I think 500.000. They are already sieving it...


Yes they already have started sieving the next N of 500,000.
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Message 7968 - Posted: 21 Dec 2007 | 0:40:44 UTC - in response to Message 7963.

If n=333333 ranges run out without finding a twin prime, please consider changing to n=344208. I know it's bigger, but I've been informed by someone I trust very much about these things that n=344208 is a much better choice, statistically speaking.

edit: I'm going to sieve a range of 100M to try to come up with some stats.


There is no way - I say, no way - to know if an n is more or less suitable for lower twin primes. If you start believing in those things you end up believing in horoscopes...

We are at 30% of the analyisis. Next n would be, I think 500.000. They are already sieving it...

I know there's no way of KNOWING it's better, but if an n tends to yield more primes on both the +1 and -1 sides of the equation, that increases the chance that it has a twin prime. That's what I'm referring to. My friend(I can't name him, not for a while) says that n=344208 is incredibly dense with primes, on both sides.

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Message 7973 - Posted: 21 Dec 2007 | 23:11:38 UTC - in response to Message 7963.
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There is no way - I say, no way - to know if an n is more or less suitable for lower twin primes. If you start believing in those things you end up believing in horoscopes...

I think you're a little overconfident with your opinion, buddy. Let me ask you something, if I were to have a random number generator and I were to tell it to generate numbers in a certain range, say, 100M to 200M, and the numbers had have an integer answer to 6x+ or -1={the number} with x as an integer, would that make them more or less likely to be prime, compared to totally random numbers in the same range?

My friend has mastered the art of what I named "modular stacking." My math skills are way below his, so I can't explain it, but n=344208 is a VERY prime-rich n, trust me on this.

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Message 7975 - Posted: 22 Dec 2007 | 16:26:21 UTC - in response to Message 7973.

There is no way - I say, no way - to know if an n is more or less suitable for lower twin primes. If you start believing in those things you end up believing in horoscopes...

I think you're a little overconfident with your opinion, buddy. Let me ask you something, if I were to have a random number generator and I were to tell it to generate numbers in a certain range, say, 100M to 200M, and the numbers had have an integer answer to 6x+ or -1={the number} with x as an integer, would that make them more or less likely to be prime, compared to totally random numbers in the same range?

My friend has mastered the art of what I named "modular stacking." My math skills are way below his, so I can't explain it, but n=344208 is a VERY prime-rich n, trust me on this.

Well, considering you're so sure of this, I've got an idea: Since the n that the TPS project is going to do next has been already officially set to n=500000, maybe TPS can do a subproject for n=344208--i.e. search both simultaneously. PrimeGrid could maybe have both listed as separate subprojects here, so one could choose between the two.

What do you think?
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Message 7977 - Posted: 22 Dec 2007 | 22:43:01 UTC - in response to Message 7975.

n=20050111, being the date of birth of my twin son and daughter (-1 and +1 !) , might be good as well and worth a subproject then, isn't it? ;) ;)

Or would I end up being the only one running it? ;-)
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n=20050111, being the date of birth of my twin son and daughter (-1 and +1 !) , might be good as well and worth a subproject then, isn't it? ;) ;)

Or would I end up being the only one running it? ;-)

Yowza! That would be in the 20M range! Those tests would probably take, like, weeks. However, if it did turn out to be a relatively prime-rich n, then PrimeGrid would rival GIMPS in terms of size of primes. :-)

The only reason why I suggested a separate subproject for n=344208 is because, if jasong's prediction about it being prime-rich is correct, then people might potentially be interested in it. Of course, if his prediction turns out to be bunko, then nobody would be interested in it...but unfortunately there's no way to prove that without actually working on that n.

jasong, how did your friend find that n=344208 is rich in primes? Did he test a certain range? Did he use some sort of undisclosed method?
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n=20050111, being the date of birth of my twin son and daughter (-1 and +1 !) , might be good as well and worth a subproject then, isn't it? ;) ;)

Or would I end up being the only one running it? ;-)

Yowza! That would be in the 20M range! Those tests would probably take, like, weeks. However, if it did turn out to be a relatively prime-rich n, then PrimeGrid would rival GIMPS in terms of size of primes. :-)

The only reason why I suggested a separate subproject for n=344208 is because, if jasong's prediction about it being prime-rich is correct, then people might potentially be interested in it. Of course, if his prediction turns out to be bunko, then nobody would be interested in it...but unfortunately there's no way to prove that without actually working on that n.

jasong, how did your friend find that n=344208 is rich in primes? Did he test a certain range? Did he use some sort of undisclosed method?

I disclosed some of the things he told me on another forum and he got very unhappy with me. For what it's worth, if you manage to figure out who I'm talking about, please keep it under your hat. His thesis is going to be coming out sometime next year, but until then I really need to be careful.

I really don't know precisely what his methods are, but according to him, a lot of the stuff is super-obvious and simply not well-known. He says he's won the $100,000 GIMPS prize and is simply waiting on the double-check.

Based on his history in the math community, I've decided to trust what he says. That being said, if he's lying, not only is he one of the worst people I've ever met, but he may have destined me for the psychiatric ward, since my worldview will have crumbled and I won't know who I could ever trust again. But I totally believe him, and am simply waiting for the GIMPS announcement. If the announcement doesn't come by Valentine's day, then I will really be having my doubts, but I'm expecting it to happen between now and the middle of January.

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Message 7982 - Posted: 23 Dec 2007 | 12:07:52 UTC - in response to Message 7980.

n=20050111, being the date of birth of my twin son and daughter (-1 and +1 !) , might be good as well and worth a subproject then, isn't it? ;) ;)

Or would I end up being the only one running it? ;-)

Yowza! That would be in the 20M range! Those tests would probably take, like, weeks. However, if it did turn out to be a relatively prime-rich n, then PrimeGrid would rival GIMPS in terms of size of primes. :-)

The only reason why I suggested a separate subproject for n=344208 is because, if jasong's prediction about it being prime-rich is correct, then people might potentially be interested in it. Of course, if his prediction turns out to be bunko, then nobody would be interested in it...but unfortunately there's no way to prove that without actually working on that n.

jasong, how did your friend find that n=344208 is rich in primes? Did he test a certain range? Did he use some sort of undisclosed method?

I disclosed some of the things he told me on another forum and he got very unhappy with me. For what it's worth, if you manage to figure out who I'm talking about, please keep it under your hat. His thesis is going to be coming out sometime next year, but until then I really need to be careful.

I really don't know precisely what his methods are, but according to him, a lot of the stuff is super-obvious and simply not well-known. He says he's won the $100,000 GIMPS prize and is simply waiting on the double-check.

Based on his history in the math community, I've decided to trust what he says. That being said, if he's lying, not only is he one of the worst people I've ever met, but he may have destined me for the psychiatric ward, since my worldview will have crumbled and I won't know who I could ever trust again. But I totally believe him, and am simply waiting for the GIMPS announcement. If the announcement doesn't come by Valentine's day, then I will really be having my doubts, but I'm expecting it to happen between now and the middle of January.


So the AWARD winning prime is mersenne prime or isn't? Anyway if he is right, then we will have the first 100M digit prime found before man returns to the moon :) Well I'm anciestly awaiting to see the news about his thesis. Maybe he has a great suggestion for a n that will yield a megatwin?

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Message 8769 - Posted: 19 Apr 2008 | 5:50:22 UTC - in response to Message 7982.
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So the AWARD winning prime is mersenne prime or isn't? Anyway if he is right, then we will have the first 100M digit prime found before man returns to the moon :) Well I'm anciestly awaiting to see the news about his thesis. Maybe he has a great suggestion for a n that will yield a megatwin?

He did say the GIMPS prize, so that would mean it was a GIMPS find.

That being said, if he's lying, not only is he one of the worst people I've ever met, but he may have destined me for the psychiatric ward, since my worldview will have crumbled and I won't know who I could ever trust again.

jasong, best wishes to you in the psychiatric ward :)

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Message 10040 - Posted: 10 Aug 2008 | 18:09:34 UTC - in response to Message 7962.

Although I'm very sceptical about this, and it's all very secretive, I'm interested in his and your research. Did you find any interesting results sieving 344208? Did your friend publish anything in the meantime? It's been over half a year, so I would like to know if there's any more information on this.

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Message 10087 - Posted: 13 Aug 2008 | 17:09:05 UTC - in response to Message 7980.

I disclosed some of the things he told me on another forum and he got very unhappy with me. For what it's worth, if you manage to figure out who I'm talking about, please keep it under your hat. His thesis is going to be coming out sometime next year, but until then I really need to be careful.

I really don't know precisely what his methods are, but according to him, a lot of the stuff is super-obvious and simply not well-known. He says he's won the $100,000 GIMPS prize and is simply waiting on the double-check.

Based on his history in the math community, I've decided to trust what he says. That being said, if he's lying, not only is he one of the worst people I've ever met, but he may have destined me for the psychiatric ward, since my worldview will have crumbled and I won't know who I could ever trust again. But I totally believe him, and am simply waiting for the GIMPS announcement. If the announcement doesn't come by Valentine's day, then I will really be having my doubts, but I'm expecting it to happen between now and the middle of January.


If the number he is testing was doled out by the GIMPS server, then we would already know that a potential prime was found. That implies that if he is using Prime95 that he is testing a number not assigned by the server. He has not won ANYTHING because he has not submitted his supposed prime. Of course that presumes it is a Mersenne prime.

Of note, dozens of people claim to have won the prize each year and ALL of them have been proven to be wrong. Each of them presume that they have some knowledge regarding some "pattern" that reveals a 10M, 100M, or 1000M digit prime. They are quickly proven to be cranks. Just ask George Woltman.

What I don't understand is why you believe him and why he would trust you with such a discovery. You have already betrayed his trust by revealing some of this information. If he is so well known in the math community (and many math-related fora) then he obviously would have shared this information with many others, others who have kept quiet. I can only conclude that it is someone with a questionable reputation and someone that is not easily trusted.

BTW, if n=344208 is so prime rich, why are you and he not trying to find a 100,000 digit twin prime on your own?

Of note, it is 6 months past the date jasong expected the discovery to be announced. Obviously no record-reaping prime was announced. Does that mean that this person is a crank? Probably.

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jasong, best wishes to you in the psychiatric ward :)


I assume this explains his absence. I trust he's receiving good treatment.

Perhaps we all belong in the psychiatric ward?

By the way, George has stated that checking of a potential M45 has begun - see http://mersenne.org/prime.htm

Does this mean that the famous 10m digit prime has been found?
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Perhaps we all belong in the psychiatric ward?

By the way, George has stated that checking of a potential M45 has begun - see http://mersenne.org/prime.htm

Does this mean that the famous 10m digit prime has been found?


No, just jasong.

As for M45, it is clearly not the one referred to by him.

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It's a bit late and I'm sure you all heard this but I may as well post it here for posterity...

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/news/2008-09-16/mersenne-45-46/

I'm really not sure what this could possibly have had to do with n=344,208 anyway.

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