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Welcome to the Happy New Year Challenge!
The first Challenge of the 2018 Challenge series is a 15 day challenge to celebrate coming of the New Year! The challenge is being offered on the Seventeen or Bust LLR (SOB) application, working towards solving the Sierpinski Problem.
2018 (MMXVIII) will be a common year starting on Monday of the Gregorian calendar, the 2018th year of the Common Era (CE) and Anno Domini (AD) designations, the 18th year of the 3rd millennium, the 18th year of the 21st century, and the 9th year of the 2010s decade.
New Year's Day, also called simply New Year's or New Year, is observed on January 1, the first day of the year on the modern Gregorian calendar as well as the Julian calendar. In pre-Christian Rome under the Julian calendar, the day was dedicated to Janus, god of gateways and beginnings, for whom January is also named.
In present day, with most countries now using the Gregorian calendar as their de facto calendar, New Year's Day is probably the most celebrated public holiday, often observed with fireworks at the stroke of midnight as the new year starts in each time zone. Other global New Year's Day traditions include making New Year's resolutions and calling one's friends and family. Samoa, Tonga and Kiritimati (Christmas Island), part of Kiribati, are the first places to welcome the New Year while American Samoa and Baker Island in the United States of America are among the last.
To participate in the Challenge, please select only the Seventeen or Bust LLR (SOB) project in your PrimeGrid preferences section. The challenge will begin 1st January 2018 00:00 UTC and end 16th January 2018 00:00 UTC. Note the non-standard start time.
Application builds are available for Linux 32 and 64 bit, Windows 32 and 64 bit and MacIntel. Intel CPUs with AVX capabilities (Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, Haswell, Broadwell, Skylake, Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake) will have a very large advantage, and Intel CPUs with FMA3 (Haswell, Broadwell, Skylake, Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake) will be the fastest.
ATTENTION: The primality program LLR is CPU intensive; so, it is vital to have a stable system with good cooling. It does not tolerate "even the slightest of errors." Please see this post for more details on how you can "stress test" your computer. Tasks on one CPU core will take ~18 hours on fast/newer computers and 6+ days on slower/older computers. If your computer is highly overclocked, please consider "stress testing" it. Sieving is an excellent alternative for computers that are not able to LLR. :)
Highly overclocked Haswell, Broadwell, Skylake, Kaby Lake or Coffee Lake (i.e., Intel Core i7, i5, and i3 -4xxx or better) computers running the application will see fastest times. Note that SOB is running the latest FMA3 version of LLR which takes full advantage of the features of these newer CPUs. It's faster than the previous LLR app and draws more power and produces more heat. If you have a Haswell, Broadwell, Skylake, Kaby Lake or Coffee Lake CPU, especially if it's overclocked or has overclocked memory, and haven't run the new FMA3 LLR before, we strongly suggest running it before the challenge while you are monitoring the temperatures.
Please, please, please make sure your machines are up to the task.
Multi-threading optimisation instructions
Those looking to maximise their computer's performance during this challenge, or when running LLR in general, may find this information useful.
- Your mileage may vary. Before the challenge starts, take some time and experiment and see what works best on your computer.
- If you have an Intel CPU with hyperthreading, either turn off the hyperthreading in the BIOS, or set BOINC to use 50% of the processors.
- If you're using a GPU for other tasks, it may be beneficial to leave hyperthreading on in the BIOS and instead tell BOINC to use 50% of the CPU's. This will allow one of the hyperthreads to service the GPU.
- Use LLR's multithreaded mode. It requires a little bit of setup, but it's worth the effort. Follow these steps:
Time zone converter:
The World Clock - Time Zone Converter
NOTE: The countdown clock on the front page uses the host computer time. Therefore, if your computer time is off, so will the countdown clock. For precise timing, use the UTC Time in the data section at the very top, above the countdown clock.
Scoring Information
Scores will be kept for individuals and teams. Only tasks issued AFTER 1st January 2018 00:00 UTC and received BEFORE 16th January 2018 00:00 UTC will be considered for credit. We will be using the same scoring method as we currently use for BOINC credits. A quorum of 2 is NOT needed to award Challenge score - i.e. no double checker. Therefore, each returned result will earn a Challenge score. Please note that if the result is eventually declared invalid, the score will be removed.
At the Conclusion of the Challenge
We kindly ask users "moving on" to ABORT their tasks instead of DETACHING, RESETTING, or PAUSING.
ABORTING tasks allows them to be recycled immediately; thus a much faster "clean up" to the end of an LLR Challenge. DETACHING, RESETTING, and PAUSING tasks causes them to remain in limbo until they EXPIRE. Therefore, we must wait until tasks expire to send them out to be completed.
Please consider either completing what's in the queue or ABORTING them. Thank you. :)
About the Sierpinski Problem
Wacław Franciszek Sierpiński (14 March 1882 — 21 October 1969), a Polish mathematician, was known for outstanding contributions to set theory, number theory, theory of functions and topology. It is in number theory where we find the Sierpinski problem.
Basically, the Sierpinski problem is "What is the smallest Sierpinski number?"
First we look at Proth numbers (named after the French mathematician François Proth). A Proth number is a number of the form k*2^n+1 where k is odd, n is a positive integer, and 2^n>k.
A Sierpinski number is an odd k such that the Proth number k*2^n+1 is not prime for all n. For example, 3 is not a Sierpinski number because n=2 produces a prime number (3*2^2+1=13). In 1962, John Selfridge proved that 78,557 is a Sierpinski number...meaning he showed that for all n, 78557*2^n+1 was not prime.
Most number theorists believe that 78,557 is the smallest Sierpinski number, but it hasn't yet been proven. In order to prove it, it has to be shown that every single k less than 78,557 is not a Sierpinski number, and to do that, some n must be found that makes k*2^n+1 prime.
Seventeen or Bust
Seventeen or Bust was a distributed computing project attempting to solve the Sierpinski problem. The name of the project is due to the fact that, when founded, there were seventeen values of k < 78,557 for which no primes were known.
The project was conceived in March of 2002 by two college undergraduates. After some planning and a lot of programming, the first public client was released on April 1. Seventeen or Bust ceased operations in 2016. The project was administered by:
• Louis Helm, a computer engineer in Austin, Texas.
• David Norris, a software engineer in Urbana, Illinois.
• Michael Garrison, a Computer Science undergraduate at Eastern Michigan University in Ypsilanti, Michigan.
Starting in 2010, PrimeGrid partnered with Seventeen or Bust to work towards solving the Sierpinski Problem. After the demise of the original Seventeen or Bust project in 2016, PrimeGrid is continuing by itself to continue the Seventeen or Bust project in looking to solve the Sierpinski Problem.
As of December of 2017, PrimeGrid and Seventeen or Bust have eliminated twelve of those seventeen candidates. The project might now be styled "Five or Bust," but the original name will be kept for consistency. Current remaining k's:
21181, 22699, 24737, 55459, 67607
SOB is currently 14% of the way through a double check of old search ranges. A brief word about the SOB tasks that will be running in the challenge:
- Most of the tasks will be double checks against one or more residues from the original Seventeen or Bust project. Expect most tasks to validate almost immediately, unless your result doesn't match the residue. (Hopefully this also means a very fast clean-up!)
- We're currently about halfway through the n=19M range. We expect the challenge to complete the tests in the n=19M range. N=20M and n=21M are not part of the double check, so the next tasks after that are at n=22M. Expect task lengths to increase by about 20% as we move from the end of the n=19M range to the beginning of the n=22M range.
- Right now, SOB tasks are very slightly smaller than PSP tasks. By the end of the challenge they'll be larger; the numbers being tested will be more than half a million digits longer.
- We're well beyond the point where the Seventeen or Bust project thoroughly double checked their work, so finding a missed prime is a possibility. Two of their primes were found while double checking their prior work. Will we find a third?
Last Prime found at PrimeGrid
10223*2^31172165+1 by Szabolcs Péter (SyP) on 31 October 2016. Official Announcement.
Previous to that the last SOB candidate was eliminated in 2007.
What is LLR?
The Lucas-Lehmer-Riesel (LLR) test is a primality test for numbers of the form N = k*2^n − 1, with 2^n > k. Also, LLR is a program developed by Jean Penne that can run the LLR-tests. It includes the Proth test to perform +1 tests and PRP to test non base 2 numbers. See also:
(Edouard Lucas: 1842-1891, Derrick H. Lehmer: 1905-1991, Hans Riesel: 1929-2014).
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Hello,
You wrote:
"Two of their primes were found while double checking their prior work. Will we find a third?"
What do you mean?
I thought we found only one prime: 10223*2^31172165+1 | |
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Hello,
You wrote:
"Two of their primes were found while double checking their prior work. Will we find a third?"
What do you mean?
I thought we found only one prime: 10223*2^31172165+1
Those were double checkings done "late" in the original Seventeen or Bust project. See items 9. and 11. in the initial post of the thread Seventeen or Bust and the Sierpinski Problem. That post also gives a good general overview. Item 12. there is the find made here at PrimeGrid.
/JeppeSN | |
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As an aside, do we know how much compute time was wasted due to the two missed primes? | |
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As an aside, do we know how much compute time was wasted due to the two missed primes?
None of our compute time was wasted as those primes were discovered before we partnered with the Seventeen or Bust Project. As far as how much they wasted, all their data was lost. | |
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Michael Goetz Volunteer moderator Project administrator
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Planning on celebrating 2018's arrival at just the instant our challenge will be starting?
For those of you with at least one Windows computer and who won't be able to manually start everything at the beginning of the challenge, the Task Scheduler (Control Panel -> System and Security -> Administrative Tools) lets you execute programs at a specific time.
I created a task that will run 1 minute after midnight on New Year's, which executes the following commands:
"c:\program files\boinc\boinccmd" --passwd yourpassword --project www.primegrid.com allowmorework
"c:\program files\boinc\boinccmd" --host other-computer --passwd yourpassword --project www.primegrid.com allowmorework
"c:\program files\boinc\boinccmd" --passwd yourpassword --project www.primegrid.com update
"c:\program files\boinc\boinccmd" --host other-computer --passwd yourpassword --project www.primegrid.com update
The update commands in the second group aren't strictly necessary, but BOINC will grab tasks a few seconds sooner that way.
I also have this task set to repeat every 10 minutes for an hour, just in case for some reason the network or one of the computers is down (e.g., for a Windows 10 update/reboot).
Most importantly, I tested everything to make sure it works.
I only need to set this up on one computer, since it sends commands to all the computers. Note that you do need to have remote gui access enabled for all of your BOINC installations in order for this to work.
Note: Contrary to what most of us are used to seeing, the command is "allowmorework", not "allownewwork". It's easy to spot that the last word is "work" rather than the more common "tasks", but "more" is buried in the middle and easy to overlook.
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I took my computer outside on this beautiful -24 C sunny day and blew out all the dust with the vaccuum cleaner. The fans are working a lot less now. It was definitely time, I had 2 spurious system lockups 2 days ago so I lightened up the computing load until I had time to clean it out.
EDIT (and also until the outdoor temperature warmed up a bit). | |
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Oh oh another reset, this time after running a heavy load for about 18 hours since the cleanup. This isn't pretty. Maybe the same cause as before, maybe not. I was doing an SOB unit with -t 6 + PPS Sieve + a big aweful spreadsheet, but I've been doing these for a long time without a problem. This time however I had jacked up the memory speed from stock to XMP1 profile after cleaning out the system, which this RAM is supposed to handle.
The system log shows this on bootup.
... kernel: mce: [Hardware Error]: Machine check events logged
... kernel: mce: [Hardware Error]: CPU 2: Machine Check: 0 Bank 1: bf80000000000124
... kernel: mce: [Hardware Error]: TSC 0 ADDR 3b2158280 MISC 86
... kernel: mce: [Hardware Error]: PROCESSOR 0:306f2 TIME 1514710212 SOCKET 0 APIC 4 microcode 3a
Running the the stuff to the right of [Hardware Error]: through the machine check event parser:
journalctl | grep mce | sed 's/.*Hardware Error...//' | mcelog --ascii
Machine check events logged
Hardware event. This is not a software error.
CPU 2 BANK 0
TIME 1514710212 Sun Dec 31 02:50:12 2017
MCG status:
MCi status:
Machine check not valid
Corrected error
MCA: No Error
STATUS 0 MCGSTATUS 0
CPUID Vendor Intel Family 6 Model 63
(Fields were incomplete)
SOCKET 0 APIC 4 microcode 3a
Maybe a memory error, maybe cache, maybe a PCIE bus error, maybe a fluke...
I have low tolerance for hardware instability, so I'll drop the memory speed back down to vanilla.
And we'll see how that SOB unit validates. | |
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This time however I had jacked up the memory speed from stock to XMP1 profile after cleaning out the system, which this RAM is supposed to handle.
What was the ram rated at? Although the ram is supposed to be able to handle it, there isn't a 100% certainty the rest of the system will. In general, I haven't had problems with DDR4 speeds up to 2800 on Intel systems, but at 3000+ you start seeing compatibility problems. Ram might work fine in one system, but not another. | |
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RAM is rated at 2400 although the CPU is dogging it at 2133.
The motherboard supports DDR4 up to 3333 MHz.
The system is 2.5 years old now. | |
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Oh oh another reset, this time after running a heavy load for about 18 hours since the cleanup. This isn't pretty. Maybe the same cause as before, maybe not. I was doing an SOB unit with -t 6 + PPS Sieve + a big aweful spreadsheet, but I've been doing these for a long time without a problem. This time however I had jacked up the memory speed from stock to XMP1 profile after cleaning out the system, which this RAM is supposed to handle.
Intel i5-4670K + 2400 memory (1600 is stock)
When buying the memory, research showed that whether memory actually works reliably at the rated speed is hit-and miss. Sometime yes, sometimes no. The brand I purchased was based on user comments about memory not being able to run at the specified speed, or lack thereof.
It would not have surprised me if I had to run slower than 2400, but I was lucky and it ran stable at full speed.
That was good for a year, but then I started getting BSODs. I solved that by lowering the memory to 2133. The system has been stable ever since. It's not 2400, but it's a lot faster than 1600.
tl;dr: You may not need to drop all the way down to stock speed on the memory. If it were me, I'd leave it at stock for the challenge, and then try going back to the XMP setting, but drop the speed down a notch or two, and see how that works.
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I'd be surprised if DDR4 2400 doesn't work in most systems. Is that kit particularly aggressive in timings? Maybe more relaxed timings will help, not that you have long to diagnose it before the challenge. It may work better if you leave it on SPD and "overclock" to 2400, than use XMP profile to do same. In my testing, speed helps in this type of task far more than latency.
One other possibility, is the CPU might be close to its limit already in terms of thermal stability. Increasing the ram speed may have enabled it work a bit more, tipping it over. | |
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I think you nailed it - the CPU is probably near the thermal limit.
It has a standard Intel CPU cooler on it, so there's no hope of O/C'ing the CPU even though I've read that the 5820K is one easily overclockable. I couldn't even raise the speed 100 MHz when it was brand new because of stability issues. I also noticed when cleaning the system yesterday that the large diameter fan on top of the case over the CPU is seized up. It's already the second one in the life of this case, now 9 years old. The power supply is a high quality 1000 W so I don't think capacitor aging is an issue.
Another factor is that it's a balmy -19 C outside, so the house tends to be warmer than summertime because the ground source heat pump is heating the house rather than cooling it.
EDIT: It's too lake to tweak the RAM timing, but I think not too lake to run out and get a new case fan. | |
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A note about the SoB statistics page (http://www.primegrid.com/stats_sob_llr.php) as well as the SoB DC statistics I occasionally post:
Both of them define "in progress" as "the WU for that candidate has been created". It does not necessarily mean tasks from that WU have been sent out to users. Normally, there's a queue of 750 SoB tasks waiting to be sent out, so the statistics are actually 750 tasks ahead of what's actually been sent out to users.
At the start of a challenge, however, I increase the queue size so that we don't run out during the surge at the very beginning of the challenge. For this challenge, I increased the queue size from 750 to 10,000. The statistics are therefore 10,000 tasks ahead of what's actually been sent to users.
This means the statistics now show the largest "in progress" task as having n=22,530,862 whereas the largest task sent to a user is currently 19,661,623. (Remember that the double check is skipping the n=20M and n=21M ranges.)
I'll be lowering the queue size after the start.
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Go, go, GO!
Happy New Year everyone! | |
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I'm getting computation errors, are there any suggestions as to how I should proceed? I have run SoB tasks on this machine in the past with no issues. This is shown in the log:
31/12/2017 22:07:59 | PrimeGrid | Output file llrSOB_284768150_1_0 for task llrSOB_284768150_1 absent
Edit: also, Happy New Year! :)
2nd Edit: My mistake, sorry. It seems that having "-t2" in app_config cmdline was making it crash. "-t 2", however, works. Go figure. | |
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Over 2.6 hours has gone by and no one has turned in a result yet????
I thought some computer would be running with "-t bazillion" in app_config.xml | |
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Over 2.6 hours has gone by and no one has turned in a result yet????
I thought some computer would be running with "-t bazillion" in app_config.xml
I'll be lucky to have one in at 12 hours :)
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I'll be lucky to have one in at 12 hours :)
Same thing here | |
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Wouldn't you know it, my case needs a 200 mm fan with a profile lower than 25 mm, so I came up empty--handed. My solution, for now, is to remove the defunct fan so that it doesn't impede natural airflow. And crank up the CPU fan speed to 100% in the BIOS. Speak louder, I can't hear you!
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I'll be lucky to have one in at 12 hours :)
Same thing here
I find that running one task at a time with -t <all cores> has better throughput than simultaneously running one task per core. It's all about cache residency and cache contention. I'll have one task done in under 9 hours all the while feeding PPS Sieve GPU tasks.
Interestingly, the SoB task which was in progress when my machine crashed earlier today validated correctly. The machine check event was sudden death and it didn't corrupt the calculation. | |
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First results are in.
Lotsa threads. :)
EDIT: four results so far:
20 threads (i9-7940X, 13,154 sec)
20 threads (i9-7900X, 14,637 sec)
12 threads (i9-7920X, 14,870 sec)
18 threads (i9-7900X, 15,267 sec)
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Just crashed again. Changing the memory profile from "enhanced performance" setting to "enhanced stability", leaving it at 2400 MHz for now. | |
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Microsoft may have given you a nice New Year's Day surprise. Check if BOINC is suspended while Windows is prompting you for a reboot.
EDIT The suspension is all mine.
"Your PC will restart several times." That's Microsoft's contribution. | |
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FFT Sizes*
SOB tasks in the challenge (so far) consist of three different FFT sizes**. The FFT size has a significant effect on both the length of each task, and the credit or challenge points awarded for each task.
1728K: n=19M, smaller k's
1920K: n=19M, larger k's and n=22M, smaller k's
2M: n=22M, larger k's
Tasks currently being sent out are in the 22M range, except for the occasional resend.
(*) While an LLR task is running, you may see the FFT being used by looking in the file called "stderr.txt" in the appropriate slot directory.
(**) Your mileage may vary. The server uses an "official" FFT size to determine credit, however, the actual FFT used on your computer may be a different size. LLR determines the optimal FFT to use depending on your CPU type, and will sometimes uses different FFT sizes on different CPUs.
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After creating the file, click on "Options/Read config files". It's not necessary to restart BOINC or reboot.
Tags like <max_concurrent> and <avg_cpus> will become effective immediately. The important tag <cmdline> will become effective
- when a task is newly started,
- when a task is resumed by client stop + restart,
- when a task is resumed by project suspend + resume or by task suspend + resume, provided the option "Leave non-GPU tasks in memory while suspended" is off.
The first time BOINC downloads an SoB task, it may act a little strange and download 4 tasks instead of 1. The run times on this first set of tasks may look a bit strange too. This is normal.
This can be avoided by setting "Use at most [ 1 ] % of the CPUs" before you download llrSOB tasks. After one task was downloaded, increase the percentage. (If you only run one task at a time on the host, increase it to 100 % in one go. If you run several tasks at a time, increase the percentage in steps, such that the client downloads only one task at a time in each step.)
If you accidentally downloaded several tasks at once, simply abort the surplus tasks.
However, these precautions are only needed if you want to see proper runtimes later in your results tables at the PrimeGrid web site.
The run times on this first set of tasks may look a bit strange too.
It's not about the first set of tasks downloaded. The reporting bug happens every time when multiple tasks are downloaded at once. If you need runtime to be shown correctly in the tables, you always need to take care to download no more than one task at a time.
Some people have observed that when using multithreaded LLR, hyperthreading is actually beneficial. We encourage you to experiment and see what works best for you.
llrSOB runtimes are highly variable, hence you need to complete lots of tasks for meaningful comparisons between different configs. And you need to compute lots of tasks in parallel on different configs, because the run time of tasks will drift over time as the project proceeds through the data set.
Of course comparisons based on run time alone are pretty much meaningless; you need to compute throughput in terms of credits per time. But for that, you need to wait until your results were validated. | |
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Excellent advice, and all correct (as I found out last night when my computers didn't start up exactly as planned!) We'll need to correct the main challenge post. Thanks.
llrSOB runtimes are highly variable, hence you need to complete lots of tasks for meaningful comparisons between different configs. And you need to compute lots of tasks in parallel on different configs, because the run time of tasks will drift over time as the project proceeds through the data set.
I always tell people to shut down BOINC and run LLR/Genefer/Whatever from the command line with a specific number so you can do your benchmarks under controlled conditions. If you use live tasks from the server, you're going to be comparing tasks that are not the same -- sometimes consecutive tasks will differ by as much as 10 or 20 percent. It's impossible, under those conditions, to reliably come to valid conclusions about which configuration is best. You're likely to be mislead to the wrong conclusions.
There are some exceptions, where tasks have nearly identical runtimes: SGS, GCW-Sieve, and PPS-Sieve. No other live tasks should be used for benchmarking.
EDIT: I've modified the main challenge post to include these corrections. Thanks!
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I for one have just aborted my surplus tasks to recycle them immediately. | |
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Is there something else needed with LLR threading to stop it suspending GPU usage?
I've had very different responses to the use of the app_config.xml. It works fine on one Linux box, suspends the GPU on a second Linux box, and just leaves GPU units waiting on a Win10 box. | |
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Microsoft may have given you a nice New Year's Day surprise. Check if BOINC is suspended while Windows is prompting you for a reboot.
EDIT The suspension is all mine.
"Your PC will restart several times." That's Microsoft's contribution.
I don't believe that's microsoft's contribution, i have no surprises and my 3 old computers are running on windows 7 all the time. | |
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And you still have 2 years of sanity left until extended support is pulled for 7. | |
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Microsoft may have given you a nice New Year's Day surprise. Check if BOINC is suspended while Windows is prompting you for a reboot.
EDIT The suspension is all mine.
"Your PC will restart several times." That's Microsoft's contribution.
I don't believe that's microsoft's contribution, i have no surprises and my 3 old computers are running on windows 7 all the time.
Sorry, I was not specific enough. That's the quote directly from the Windows 10 screen after you have accepted Microsoft's offer take this morning's updates. | |
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Is there any way, or would it be too hard to do.
What I am thinking is maybe a TEST task, one that can be ran over and over again to test system tweaks. Maybe half the size, (don't need to test for 20 hours) so we can really get our systems running the best we can.
This way we know it is X long, no worries about is this a long or short task
The test task could be downloaded, we test with it all we want and it never gets sent back to the PG server.
Call it a test task or a testing program.
Just a thought.
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Is there any way, or would it be too hard to do.
What I am thinking is maybe a TEST task, one that can be ran over and over again to test system tweaks. Maybe half the size, (don't need to test for 20 hours) so we can really get our systems running the best we can.
This way we know it is X long, no worries about is this a long or short task
The test task could be downloaded, we test with it all we want and it never gets sent back to the PG server.
Call it a test task or a testing program.
Just a thought.
Happy new year everyone!
It's not practical to do, no. But it's very easy to run LLR manually from a command line. And much, much more useful.
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I can think of some not ideal ways to test this.
1, you can't run a "smaller" task as it will load the system differently. It has to be representative of current work sizes. To reduce time, maybe someone could crunch one to say 95% done, then you finish it. Subtract the time and what's left is what your system took.
2, manually run LLR with a specified task, and look at how the runtime progresses. It has been a long time since I ran this, so I'm not sure what potentially useful output there might be.
3, use Prime95 benchmark mode. 29.x has a new screen which makes running it a lot easier, no config file editing needed any more. Prime95 shares the same code as LLR so this will be a close indication. This will be ok for testing how hardware affects it (CPU clock, ram speed/timings, how many threads are run). Result will take a bit of work to translate to estimated unit time. There is a small potential difference in FFT types I don't understand, but if run on same system they should be consistent within that context at least. Faster is faster, if not absolutely representative.
As much as Michael warns against it, I find using live work "good enough" for general indication. There is task to task variation, especially if the system is doing other things. The only thing I take care on is to only compare same size FFTs, as that makes a relatively big difference, which means manually looking at each individual result. Also it helps to average a big sample. One unit will be risky, if you're averaging 20+, especially if there is low variation between them, it'll probably be ok. | |
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Michael Goetz wrote:
I always tell people to shut down BOINC and run LLR/Genefer/Whatever from the command line with a specific number so you can do your benchmarks under controlled conditions.
Thank you; why didn't I remember this? Much appreciated advice. | |
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Is there something else needed with LLR threading to stop it suspending GPU usage?
I've had very different responses to the use of the app_config.xml. It works fine on one Linux box, suspends the GPU on a second Linux box, and just leaves GPU units waiting on a Win10 box.
The reason for CPU work suspending GPU work is generally that boinc-client, at this point in time, gives higher priority to the CPU application (because of deadlines, because you haven't run the CPU project for a while, or because of combinations of several non-obvious factors).
A recipe to prevent this, which I learned from one of my TeAm mates, is:
- Write an app_config for the GPU application in which you specify a CPU usage for the GPU tasks of 0.1 or even less.
- This gives boinc-client the illusion that the GPU application does virtually not use any CPU at all. boinc-client will now always squeeze those GPU tasks among the CPU tasks.
- But in order to avoid overloading your host, decrease the option "Use at most [ ... ] % of the CPUs" such that this percentage reflects only the percentage that you want to be used by the CPU applications; i.e. deduct the percentage that you want to reserve for GPU feeders, background tasks, desktop, and so on.
Another recipe:
Run multiple boinc-client instances; one for each project that you want to run concurrently. That way you have fine-grained resource control separate for each client instance = separate for each project. Setting this up requires going through multiple steps. But it is very worthwhile to do so if you routinely run different projects in parallel, and/ or if you participate in contests often. There are tutorials on the web for this.
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After 1 day...
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-02 00:46:59 UTC)
7880 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 7880 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
874 (11%) came back with some kind of an error. [874 (11%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
454 (6%) have returned a successful result. [454 (6%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
6552 (83%) are still in progress. [6552 (83%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
0 (0%) are pending validation. [0 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
422 (93%) have been successfully validated. [422 (93%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
0 (0%) were invalid. [0 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
32 (7%) are inconclusive. [32 (7%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=22287910. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge. Since the challenge started, the leading edge has advanced 13.19% as much as it had prior to the challenge!
Normal SoB crunching is about 230 per day. Over 30 times as many tasks were sent out in the first day. I think it's going to be a very interesting challenge.
Will we find a missed prime?
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The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=22287910. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge. Since the challenge started, the leading edge has advanced 13.19% as much as it had prior to the challenge!
For anyone that is curious, this is slightly misleading since n=20M and n=21M were not part of the double check.
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The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=22287910. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge. Since the challenge started, the leading edge has advanced 13.19% as much as it had prior to the challenge!
For anyone that is curious, this is slightly misleading since n=20M and n=21M were not part of the double check.
You're right. That statistic is meaningless in the context of this double check.
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It is interesting, is this OK if after one day of a challenge
454 (6%) have returned a successful result.
I thought that each SoB task should took several days rather than one day. | |
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It is interesting, is this OK if after one day of a challenge
454 (6%) have returned a successful result.
I thought that each SoB task should took several days rather than one day.
If you run it in multi-thread mode, it can give significant speedups. The fastest systems in the challenge run 10-14 modern fast Intel cores, can turn around a single task in as little as 4 hours.
My fastest system is 6 core and takes around 7 hours, with my fastest quad core taking around 9 hours. Note it isn't just the number of cores that contribute, as it will also depend on clocks, ram configuration and CPU generation. | |
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It is interesting, is this OK if after one day of a challenge
454 (6%) have returned a successful result.
I thought that each SoB task should took several days rather than one day.
I know it's long, but you may want to read the entire post at the beginning of this thread that introduces this challenge.
In particular, pay attention to the section about running LLR in multi-threaded mode. E.g., if you have a quad core system, when you run a single SoB running on all four cores instead of running 4 SoB's with each using a single core, you'll find that the multi-threaded 4-core SoB runs more than 4 times as fast.
If you do that on a monster $2K 18-core Skylake-X Extreme CPU, you can run SoB tasks really, really, quickly.
The fastest time I've see so far is about 3.5 hours.
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My fastest system is 6 core and takes around 7 hours, with my fastest quad core taking around 9 hours. Note it isn't just the number of cores that contribute, as it will also depend on clocks, ram configuration and CPU generation.
I ran SoB a month ago so as to go from Emerald to Ruby and my i7 6700k, for example, was taking about 10-11 hrs/unit with all four cores dedicated to a single SoB task and while feeding the GPU with Collatz units. Multithreading does do magic. | |
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Stats at about a day and a half:
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-02 15:34:46 UTC)
8956 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 8956 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
1121 (13%) came back with some kind of an error. [1121 (13%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
1033 (12%) have returned a successful result. [1033 (12%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
6802 (76%) are still in progress. [6802 (76%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
0 (0%) are pending validation. [0 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
961 (93%) have been successfully validated. [961 (93%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
2 (0%) were invalid. [2 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
70 (7%) are inconclusive. [70 (7%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=22350103. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
A question that comes up during double checks from time to time is "how many of the original residues were bad?" This isn't a comprehensive answer, but of the residues currently in the live database that have been tested:
Correct residues: 8739
Incorrect residues: 334 (3.7%)
Those numbers exclude residues in work units that have already been purged from the database, so those numbers represent tests from the last month or so.
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We're now processing the n=22M tasks, so processing times are longer, the numbers being checked are over 6 million digits long, and credit per task for the latest numbers is over 31 thousand.
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After two days...
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-03 00:23:54 UTC)
9608 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 9608 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
1198 (12%) came back with some kind of an error. [1198 (12%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
1407 (15%) have returned a successful result. [1407 (15%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
7003 (73%) are still in progress. [7003 (73%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
0 (0%) are pending validation. [0 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
1321 (94%) have been successfully validated. [1321 (94%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
5 (0%) were invalid. [5 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
81 (6%) are inconclusive. [81 (6%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=22401334. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
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A question that comes up during double checks from time to time is "how many of the original residues were bad?" This isn't a comprehensive answer, but of the residues currently in the live database that have been tested:
Correct residues: 8739
Incorrect residues: 334 (3.7%)
Those numbers exclude residues in work units that have already been purged from the database, so those numbers represent tests from the last month or so.
Interesting. Thanks. /JeppeSN | |
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Hi,
I've finished a couple of tasks but i'm not showing up in the ranking list.
I run the challenge on two PC's
See one below copied from the event log
3/01/2018 5:05:40 | PrimeGrid | Computation for task llrSOB_284759586_3 finished
3/01/2018 5:05:42 | PrimeGrid | Started upload of llrSOB_284759586_3_0
3/01/2018 5:05:44 | PrimeGrid | Finished upload of llrSOB_284759586_3_0
Is something wrong?
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Hi,
I've finished a couple of tasks but i'm not showing up in the ranking list.
Is something wrong?
Unfortunately, yes.
This is from the instructions for the challenge:
Scoring Information
Scores will be kept for individuals and teams. Only tasks issued AFTER 1st January 2018 00:00 UTC and received BEFORE 16th January 2018 00:00 UTC will be considered for credit. We will be using the same scoring method as we currently use for BOINC credits. A quorum of 2 is NOT needed to award Challenge score - i.e. no double checker. Therefore, each returned result will earn a Challenge score. Please note that if the result is eventually declared invalid, the score will be removed.
All three of the SoB tasks that you've completed were sent to you about 1 hour before the challenge started and are ineligible. I'm guessing your local timezone is +1:00. All times used in the challenge are UTC (aka GMT), which would be one hour later than local time.
You have six more SoB tasks, currently in progress, that were also sent to those two computers on December 31st. They won't count for the challenge either, although you will get normal credit.
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Ok, I'll let them run anyway.
Hard time of the day and year to start challenges.... my fault.
thx,
lentosy
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After 2.5 days:
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-03 12:44:22 UTC)
10317 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 10317 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
1305 (13%) came back with some kind of an error. [1305 (13%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
1993 (19%) have returned a successful result. [1993 (19%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
7019 (68%) are still in progress. [7019 (68%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
0 (0%) are pending validation. [0 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
1884 (95%) have been successfully validated. [1884 (95%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
8 (0%) were invalid. [8 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
101 (5%) are inconclusive. [101 (5%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=22450186. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
I'm doing something a little different. Those 8 invalid tasks are the result of computation errors (hardware errors). It's usually the result of too much overclocking, although there are other causes. I've sent PMs to the people who own those computers to let them know there's something wrong. Often the fix is as easy as backing off on the overclocking. I may not keep this up for the whole challenge; it depends on how many there are. Of course, it's not necessary for me to tell anyone -- if you ever see any "invalid" tasks, something is wrong and needs to be looked at. But for now, I'm trying to make sure everyone knows. So far, every one of those computers is in one of the top 6 teams, so whether the problem is corrected or not could affect the team standings at the top of the leaderboards.
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It took just under 3 days for all of the 10,000 extra tasks I loaded for the challenge to be sent out. The server is now generating new work to replace each task as it's sent out, i.e., things are back to normal.
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Three days, one-fifth, of the challenge is complete!
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-04 00:01:49 UTC)
11044 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 11044 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
1493 (14%) came back with some kind of an error. [1493 (14%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
2521 (23%) have returned a successful result. [2521 (23%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
7030 (64%) are still in progress. [7030 (64%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
1 (0%) are pending validation. [1 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
2394 (95%) have been successfully validated. [2394 (95%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
9 (0%) were invalid. [9 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
117 (5%) are inconclusive. [117 (5%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=22491127. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
The team battle is very close, with the top for teams separated by 1.4M, 1.5M, and 0.6M points. The individual standings are also very close, with the top 4 separated by 200K, 470K, and 220K. Both teams and individuals have swapped places several times as their computers, running at vastly different speeds, return small groups of tasks quickly, or large groups of tasks slowly.
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Thanks to this challenge, the SOB double check is now 16% complete. When the challenge started, the double check was about 14% complete.
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Thanks to this challenge, the SOB double check is now 16% complete. When the challenge started, the double check was about 14% complete.
Now that is a meaningful stat! Still a long way to go ..
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Thanks to this challenge, the SOB double check is now 16% complete. When the challenge started, the double check was about 14% complete.
If the rates and trends hold, and if my math is right, a 108-day challenge to start off 2018 should just about wrap the double check up.
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After 4 days...
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-05 00:21:10 UTC)
13001 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 13001 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
1910 (15%) came back with some kind of an error. [1910 (15%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
3763 (29%) have returned a successful result. [3763 (29%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
7328 (56%) are still in progress. [7328 (56%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
0 (0%) are pending validation. [0 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
3593 (95%) have been successfully validated. [3593 (95%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
20 (1%) were invalid. [20 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
150 (4%) are inconclusive. [150 (4%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=22620046. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
The double check is 16.27% complete.
Still no missing primes, but we will keep looking.
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What score would a missed prime garner during Tour de Primes next month?
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Thanks to this challenge, the SOB double check is now 16% complete. When the challenge started, the double check was about 14% complete.
If the rates and trends hold, and if my math is right, a 108-day challenge to start off 2018 should just about wrap the double check up.
Yeah I was going to make a comment about how quickly we could get this double check done.
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What score would a missed prime garner during Tour de Primes next month?
Assume it will be found between 22% and 37% of the double-check.
That's probably between 7 and 8 million digits. The formula is here.
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What score would a missed prime garner during Tour de Primes next month?
Assume it will be found between 22% and 37% of the double-check.
That's probably between 7 and 8 million digits. The formula is here.
Indeed.
Referring to the double-check progress table,
n < 20M is complete after 16.9% of work.
22M < n < 23M is complete after 22.6% of work. Size range is 6.6 million to 6.9 million digits.
n < 24M is complete after 28.7% of work. Size range is 6.9 million to 7.2 million digits.
n < 25M is complete after 35.6% of work. Size range is 7.2 million to 7.5 million digits.
n < 26M is complete after 42.8% of work. Size range is 7.5 million to 7.8 million digits.
Estimating that 22% of work occurs 89% of the way between 22M and 23M (so 22.89M), the low end of the score is 439,323.
Estimating that 37% of work occurs 20% of the way between 25M and 26M (so 25.2M) the high end of the score is 589,603.
I don't breath this stuff every day, so correct me if this doesn't look right.
EDIT: The scores calculations are good, assuming I've used n correctly.
I plugged in my 2nd place largest prime from last year's TdP and got the right prime score.
Finding a missed SoB prime during TdP would probably net the finder both the red and green jerseys, like last year. | |
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If the rates and trends hold, and if my math is right, a 108-day challenge to start off 2018 should just about wrap the double check up.
dagnabit... that should have said 2019. Hopefully I'll be the only person who will make that mistake here in early January. | |
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One third of the challenge is complete!
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-06 00:23:37 UTC)
15302 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 15302 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
2667 (17%) came back with some kind of an error. [2667 (17%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
5013 (33%) have returned a successful result. [5013 (33%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
7622 (50%) are still in progress. [7622 (50%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
2 (0%) are pending validation. [2 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
4807 (96%) have been successfully validated. [4807 (96%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
31 (1%) were invalid. [31 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
173 (3%) are inconclusive. [173 (3%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=22755404. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
The double check is now 16.88% complete.
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Five and a half days...
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-06 12:04:16 UTC)
16950 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 16950 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
3111 (18%) came back with some kind of an error. [3111 (18%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
5660 (33%) have returned a successful result. [5660 (33%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
8179 (48%) are still in progress. [8179 (48%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
0 (0%) are pending validation. [0 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
5434 (96%) have been successfully validated. [5434 (96%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
39 (1%) were invalid. [39 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
187 (3%) are inconclusive. [187 (3%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=22862651. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
The double check is now 17.21% completed!
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Right now, the Czech National Team has about a 500K point lead over SETI.Germany in a very close race for third place.
Tasks currently vary in credit from about 20K to 30K, with more recent tasks at the higher end of that range. They'll certainly go up some more before we're done.
So far, 14 CNT tasks have been found to be invalid (approximately 280K to 420K points), while 3 SG tasks are invalid so far (60K to 90K points). "Invalid" means there was a hardware calculation error. The computer malfunctioned. This is not supposed to happen if the computer is working correctly.
In a race this close, those invalid tasks could make the difference.
I've heard back from a few people who have had invalid tasks. Typically the most common cause is too much overclocking, and, sure enough, that was the cause for a few of these as well.
One other cause was heat. For those of you who are struggling with high CPU temperatures, I recommend a program called TThrottle. Not only does it monitor your CPU temperatures, but it will slow down BOINC tasks just enough to keep CPU temperatures below whatever value you specify. It integrates very nicely with BOINC Tasks since both have the same author. This is a Windows program. https://efmer.com/tthrottle/
I've found that setting the temperature limit too low really slows down BOINC because the temperature is too low for the CPU fan to spin up. 75C seems to be a good compromise between keeping the CPU cool yet warm enough for the fans to provide a lot of cooling. I have one computer, an old laptop, with a real temperature problem, and TThrottle keeps the CPU safe while running the BOINC tasks at about 50% speed. On the other computers, it's essentially a safeguard against the computer overheating, and it takes effect about 15-25 degrees before the BIOS would act.
Another cause I'm hearing is "I think it's because Windows 10 rebooted." Yeah. 'Nuf said.
Good luck everyone!
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+1 on TThrottle.
I've used it for many years and is an excellent program. It has saved my hardware's ass many times such as when a fan (CPU + GPU) dies while crunching, or an initial fan curve is set wrong by accident, etc.
I think most Windows users (if not all) should use it. I also recommend BOINC Tasks as well by the same author. There's a Linux version of that.
Link to TThrottle's manual to learn more: https://efmer.com/tthrottle-manual/
Homepage: https://efmer.com/
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As Double Checker: SR5 109208*5^1816285+1 Dgts-1,269,534
As Initial Finder: SR5 243944*5^1258576-1 Dgts-879,713
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I lost one task, because win10pro updated and rebooted.
I did every trick to try to keep it from updating. Update service turned off.......
It updated anyway. I hate win10, going back to 7pro or Mint Linus after this challenge. | |
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I have also noticed that disabling the WU service doesn't seem 100% effective any more. I've had reboots when I thought I had it disabled too. I've now taken to blocking WU at network level and that seems to have stopped it. That should be ok until MS starts using alternate servers... | |
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I've just installed TThrottle. Cores are now cooling from high 80s and mid 90s °C to a more acceptable 75°C. Your suggestion/warning didn't come too soon.
In the past, when I checked (not often), I never had problems with high temperatures. Probably time to vacuum my PC. | |
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I have also noticed that disabling the WU service doesn't seem 100% effective any more. I've had reboots when I thought I had it disabled too. I've now taken to blocking WU at network level and that seems to have stopped it. That should be ok until MS starts using alternate servers...
I found a solution which works fine for me so far: open registry editor and change HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\wuauserv\Parameters\ServiceDll to something else (e.g. append char) and reboot. By doing so Windows will not be able to run update service at all.
If you would like to install new updates later, restore previous value at that key, reboot, install updates (reboot if necessary), change value again and reboot one more time.
Note: changing things in Windows registry may seriously break things, so ask someone else for help if you are not familiar with this!
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After 6 days:
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-07 00:00:26 UTC)
17944 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 17944 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
3369 (19%) came back with some kind of an error. [3369 (19%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
6280 (35%) have returned a successful result. [6280 (35%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
8295 (46%) are still in progress. [8295 (46%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
0 (0%) are pending validation. [0 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
6046 (96%) have been successfully validated. [6046 (96%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
45 (1%) were invalid. [45 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
189 (3%) are inconclusive. [189 (3%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=22922074. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
The double check is 17.52% complete.
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189 (3%) are inconclusive. [189 (3%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Well .. one of my inconclusives is now valid. I believe this means that I and my DC proved an invalid residual from 17oB?
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189 (3%) are inconclusive. [189 (3%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Well .. one of my inconclusives is now valid. I believe this means that I and my DC proved an invalid residual from 17oB?
Yes. Moreover, a missed prime MUST have an invalid original residual. In your case, the original residual was just wrong without the tested number being prime. | |
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6.5 days...
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-07 12:32:41 UTC)
19373 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 19373 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
3837 (20%) came back with some kind of an error. [3837 (20%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
6947 (36%) have returned a successful result. [6947 (36%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
8589 (44%) are still in progress. [8589 (44%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
0 (0%) are pending validation. [0 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
6696 (96%) have been successfully validated. [6696 (96%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
49 (1%) were invalid. [49 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
202 (3%) are inconclusive. [202 (3%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=23004884. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
We've sent out all of the n=22M numbers and have started on the n=23M range.
The double check is 17.85% complete.
We're still looking for that elusive missed prime!
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We're at the halfway point of the challenge!
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-08 12:08:19 UTC)
21373 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 21373 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
4542 (21%) came back with some kind of an error. [4542 (21%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
8261 (39%) have returned a successful result. [8261 (39%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
8570 (40%) are still in progress. [8570 (40%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
0 (0%) are pending validation. [0 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
7956 (96%) have been successfully validated. [7956 (96%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
66 (1%) were invalid. [66 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
239 (3%) are inconclusive. [239 (3%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=23120167. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
The double check is 18.50% complete. When the challenge started we were less than 15% complete.
The numbers being tested now are just below 7 million digits.
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I'm doing something a little different. Those 8 invalid tasks are the result of computation errors (hardware errors). It's usually the result of too much overclocking, although there are other causes. I've sent PMs to the people who own those computers to let them know there's something wrong. Often the fix is as easy as backing off on the overclocking. I may not keep this up for the whole challenge; it depends on how many there are.
It's getting to be too much of a burden. I'm not sending out any more PM's.
Folks, check your result page from time to time. If you see ANY "invalid" tasks, something is broken and not working correctly and needs to be corrected. Think of this as the "check engine" light on your computer.
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Does this mean inconclusive wu's are promising candidates? Also will they count for credit if turn valid after challenge?
Cheers Rob
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Does this mean inconclusive wu's are promising candidates? Also will they count for credit if turn valid after challenge?
Yes and yes.
Inconclusive means either the original (first) check suffered from a computer malfunction, or else the new check (yours) had a computer malfunction, or both. If you have never had an invalid job, your hope is you corrected a previous bad result. But we cannot tell before a third job has been created for this work unit. So you can be cautiously optimistic.
Before the challenge stats are conclusive, it must be determined whether you were right, or the original result was right, or neither. This may happen after the end date of the challenge, but because you finished in time, you will still be awarded your points for the challenge stats.
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Great thanks JeppeSN
I have three. Fingers crossed. ☺
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Does this mean inconclusive wu's are promising candidates?
In theory yes, but in practice, not so much.
While it is true that if you find a prime in the DC, it will show up as inconclusive to you, we would see the prime. We'd probably say something even before verifying it, since there's almost no chance of it being an error.
So if you don't see anything from us, either we're asleep, or the inconclusive result isn't a prime.
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Haha very good ☺
Ok, kinda thought as much but it's nice to see it written down.
Will keep looking so.
Cheers Rob
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8 days done, 7 to go...
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-09 00:18:21 UTC)
22503 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 22503 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
5056 (22%) came back with some kind of an error. [5056 (22%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
8991 (40%) have returned a successful result. [8991 (40%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
8456 (38%) are still in progress. [8456 (38%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
1 (0%) are pending validation. [1 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
8670 (96%) have been successfully validated. [8670 (96%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
75 (1%) were invalid. [75 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
245 (3%) are inconclusive. [245 (3%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=23158498. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
The double check is 18.86% complete.
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After eight and a half days...
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-09 12:09:20 UTC)
23346 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 23346 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
5243 (22%) came back with some kind of an error. [5243 (22%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
9747 (42%) have returned a successful result. [9747 (42%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
8356 (36%) are still in progress. [8356 (36%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
0 (0%) are pending validation. [0 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
9409 (97%) have been successfully validated. [9409 (97%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
85 (1%) were invalid. [85 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
253 (3%) are inconclusive. [253 (3%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=23218606. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
The double check is now 19.23% completed. If we could keep this pace up, we'd have the double check done by (northern) summer.
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Is the completed value calculated by candidates or by estimated work done? By that, I mean as we go up, units get longer. Is that figured into it? I've had a couple of units using greater than 2M FFT already... | |
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Is the completed value calculated by candidates or by estimated work done? By that, I mean as we go up, units get longer. Is that figured into it? I've had a couple of units using greater than 2M FFT already...
By work, as estimated by the square of the length of each individual candidate. It also takes into account whether or not there's already a residue for a particular candidate since we have to do two tests if there is no residue.
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If we could keep this pace up, we'd have the double check done by (northern) summer.
http://www.primegrid.com/forum_thread.php?id=7685&nowrap=true#111209 | |
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I just recently upgraded my rig after 7 years (!) and decided to join you guys again. I just read about this today so I've abandoned my other projects and am running 17 Or Bust on all six cores of my i5-8600K at 4.1 GHz with 8GB of DDR4 2,666MHz RAM at 90% CPU usage.
It's been running for an hour now and all six jobs say they're going to take another 4 days and 11 hours - does that sound about right? | |
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I just recently upgraded my rig after 7 years (!) and decided to join you guys again. I just read about this today so I've abandoned my other projects and am running 17 Or Bust on all six cores of my i5-8600K at 4.1 GHz with 8GB of DDR4 2,666MHz RAM at 90% CPU usage.
It's been running for an hour now and all six jobs say they're going to take another 4 days and 11 hours - does that sound about right?
Sounds about right...
...with that said, you could do MUCH better. See, your CPU is severely limited on the RAM. I'm assuming that you're using a single stick of 8gb, in which case you're missing a lot on dual channel. And regardless of that, 2666 is still "slow", compared to what is needed to fully feed a high performing chip such as yours.
So to avoid those problems, I highly suggest looking into enabling multithreading for SoB. It'll ease on the RAM requirements and your tasks will complete much quicker, which is great for prime finding. To put it in perspective, I have a Skylake system at 4.1ghz, so it's basically the exact same CPU power as you (bar your's having more cores) and I can complete a single task in about 22h using only 3 of my cores. That's how much faster you can do it.
Check the first post in this thread, there's a section about LLR multithread. Follow the instructions to enable it, with the only change being using "-t 5" and "5" in the tags, as that'll use 5 of your cores and leave 1 free for the GPU. | |
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This is odd. This is how it looks now. The time remaining seems to be tumbling but Resource Monitor shows all 6 cores, not 5, running at full speed.
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Thanks a lot Rafael. I have created the .XML file and put it in my C:\Program files\BOINC directory. I have restarted BOINC and told it to read the config file but it is still showing 6 processes, not 5. My BOINC directory structure looks nothing like that mentioned in the first post - could that be the issue? It's still showing 4.5 days BTW.
You put the file in the wrong directory.
It's "ProgramData", not "Program Files". Both have a BOINC directory, but the one you need is inside ProgramData. Note there's no space between those two words.
It's possible Windows is hiding the directory, but it IS there.
EDIT: I guess you figured that part out. :)
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Thanks Rafael, blame a long day at work. I've edited my post above. It's down to 2d 21m now... '2 minutes later upate' - the 6 CPU traces now look like stalagmites so it's not running all 6 at 100%. | |
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Thanks Rafael, blame a long day at work. I've edited my post above. It's down to 2d 21m now... '2 minutes later upate' - the 6 CPU traces now look like stalagmites so it's not running all 6 at 100%.
CPU temperature?
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Thanks Rafael, blame a long day at work. I've edited my post above. It's down to 2d 21m now... '2 minutes later upate' - the 6 CPU traces now look like stalagmites so it's not running all 6 at 100%.
Hm... I'm assuming you're not doing anything else with the PC, like having a webpage open secretly stealing your CPU for mining (I was having that problem a while ago...)? Temperatures is the next thing to look at, if you're much above 80, you have a problem.
Another thing could be... well, Boinc is just bad at early estimates. For a little while, it'll take the wrong early data into account for the fraction done exact thing, so I suspect the estimate should get into place the further you go. | |
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Don't forget the units were part completed running one per core. That'll skew the average out quite a bit. It should get more accurate over time and come down. I'd expect better than one per day, depending on the ram configuration. Is it single or dual channel? | |
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6 days to go...
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-10 00:11:39 UTC)
24186 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 24186 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
5374 (22%) came back with some kind of an error. [5374 (22%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
10422 (43%) have returned a successful result. [10422 (43%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
8390 (35%) are still in progress. [8390 (35%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
0 (0%) are pending validation. [0 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
10080 (97%) have been successfully validated. [10080 (97%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
87 (1%) were invalid. [87 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
255 (2%) are inconclusive. [255 (2%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=23277583. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
The double check is 19.56% completed, and the numbers being tested have reached 7 million digits.
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If we could keep this pace up, we'd have the double check done by (northern) summer.
http://www.primegrid.com/forum_thread.php?id=7685&nowrap=true#111209
This is achievable if you-all don't get cold feet after TdP.
I'm pledging 10 physical Haswell cores until then. Who else is in for it?
NB. My main computer has been crash-free for a week, since turning down the RAM speed to 2133 and disabling turbo in the BIOS. | |
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After crunching for about four hours, the expected time has already dropped from 4.5 days to 1.5 days which is good. RAM is dual channel and, at 90% CPU, temps are between 68 and 78 C which is good - I have a custom fan profile for Prime which isn't quiet but does the job. | |
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Normal running: Oh no! An inconclusive result, hope my system isn't unstable...
SoB double check: Yay! An inconclusive result, hope it turns out to be a prime :) | |
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Ten days in, one third of the challenge to go...
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-11 00:05:32 UTC)
25726 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 25726 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
5619 (22%) came back with some kind of an error. [5619 (22%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
11763 (46%) have returned a successful result. [11763 (46%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
8344 (32%) are still in progress. [8344 (32%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
0 (0%) are pending validation. [0 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
11381 (97%) have been successfully validated. [11381 (97%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
102 (1%) were invalid. [102 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
280 (2%) are inconclusive. [280 (2%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=23381900. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
The double check is now 20.24% completed. We're now testing 7 million digits numbers.
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Normal running: Oh no! An inconclusive result, hope my system isn't unstable...
SoB double check: Yay! An inconclusive result, hope it turns out to be a prime :)
Sounds crazy, but you're absolutely right.
Every time I see an inconclusive on every other sub-project I check the tasks of the other computer to see which of us could be at fault.
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Totally agree.
Should we badly overclock all together just to see Inconclusive: A New Hope? :D
Seriously, I won't keep this pace up after the challenge. I think there are many other important BOINC projects to follow and crunch. Soon or later SoB double check will be completed. It doesn't matter when it will be. | |
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Totally agree.
Should we badly overclock all together just to see Inconclusive: A New Hope? :D
Seriously, I won't keep this pace up after the challenge. I think there are many other important BOINC projects to follow and crunch. Soon or later SoB double check will be completed. It doesn't matter when it will be.
Thanks for that refreshing perspective. "Sooner or later" has given me an important insight into the principal drawback of cryptocurrency. Unlike cash, when you die, you WILL take it with you, and it will be gone forever.
Who will put their entire Bitcoin wallet password in their last will and testament and trust that the first person who sees it won't use it for himself?
What are the alternatives?
You could secretly slip your password into a time capsule in the cornerstone of a new building (like Michigan J. Frog) and imagine the billions of $ it will be worth when the building is demolished in 100 years.
You could do the old split-the-treasure-map trick and give each member of your favorite cohort part of your password. We know what happens in those movies. Of course part of it would have to stay hidden in your will to protect yourself. If it all goes missing before you kick the bucket, you know whose asses to sue.
I think when governments mandate the use of distributed ledger, they will declare all other currencies contraband, and they will authorize only their favorite *cough* *banks* *cough* to generate currency tokens while they keep your wallet password in escrow - just to stabilize the value and keep it from evaporating over time (and to make their rich friends richer). | |
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10 and a half days...
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-11 11:55:57 UTC)
26447 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 26447 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
5757 (22%) came back with some kind of an error. [5757 (22%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
12456 (47%) have returned a successful result. [12456 (47%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
8234 (31%) are still in progress. [8234 (31%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
3 (0%) are pending validation. [3 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
12074 (97%) have been successfully validated. [12074 (97%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
111 (1%) were invalid. [111 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
268 (2%) are inconclusive. [268 (2%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=23433247. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
The double check is 20.63% completed.
Keep an eye on the # 2, 3, and 4 teams. The race has been tight for most of the challenge, with the Czech National Team having recently overtaken Sicituradastra. for second place. SETI,Germany is not far behind. Aggie the Pew's #1 spot seems to be fairly safe, but CNT has picked up the pace and there's still a long ways to go.
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Normal running: Oh no! An inconclusive result, hope my system isn't unstable...
SoB double check: Yay! An inconclusive result, hope it turns out to be a prime :)
By the way, inconclusive ones are also the tasks for which the post-challenge cleanup will have to be run, right? (Even though it will likely be short).
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By the way, inconclusive ones are also the tasks for which the post-challenge cleanup will have to be run, right? (Even though it will likely be short).
Yes, but only those tasks that would affect a scoring position.
It would be hilarious to find a prime in the cleanup.
We won't find a prime as part of a cleanup task. By definition, the prime would have been found during the challenge, or it wouldn't be a cleanup task. Unless, of course, BOTH the original residue and the task run during the challenge are incorrect. In that case, if it's actually prime, the person running the cleanup task could find a prime.
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11 days done, 4 to go...
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-12 00:30:44 UTC)
27287 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 27287 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
5886 (22%) came back with some kind of an error. [5886 (22%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
13210 (48%) have returned a successful result. [13210 (48%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
8191 (30%) are still in progress. [8191 (30%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
1 (0%) are pending validation. [1 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
12823 (97%) have been successfully validated. [12823 (97%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
125 (1%) were invalid. [125 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
261 (2%) are inconclusive. [261 (2%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=23497618. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
Anyone who finds one of these primes earns both of these shiny new badges:
EDIT: The double check is 20.98% completed.
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Anyone who finds one of these primes earns both of these shiny new badges:
Will you award to everyone who eliminates a K that the K badge above is given to all future founders. If so, you should award to crunchers who eliminated a K in the past as well (back to at least 2010).
The other M badge should be awarded to other Mega primes winners Should be retroactive as well. I assume that's what the M stands for.
I think more rare & unique badges should be awarded for rare & unique finds.
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Largest Primes to Date:
As Double Checker: SR5 109208*5^1816285+1 Dgts-1,269,534
As Initial Finder: SR5 243944*5^1258576-1 Dgts-879,713
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Will you award to everyone who eliminates a K that the K badge above is given to all future founders. If so, you should award to crunchers who eliminated a K in the past as well (back to at least 2010).
The other M badge should be awarded to other Mega primes winners Should be retroactive as well. I assume that's what the M stands for.
I think more rare & unique badges should be awarded for rare & unique finds.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Except for TDP badges, all of the new badges are retroactive. As an example, you have one for a prime you found in 2013.
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Will you award to everyone who eliminates a K that the K badge above is given to all future founders. If so, you should award to crunchers who eliminated a K in the past as well (back to at least 2010).
The other M badge should be awarded to other Mega primes winners Should be retroactive as well. I assume that's what the M stands for.
I think more rare & unique badges should be awarded for rare & unique finds.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Except for TDP badges, all of the new badges are retroactive. As an example, you have one for a prime you found in 2013.
Basically what I'm asking is will these badges be a new permanent thing for everyone in all subprojects for the current, future and past and are not just SoB or TdP. Also Could these have threads of their own (for Mega since not all will be annoounced in NEWS section anymore + when a K is eliminated, to have separate threads for them) like how GFN primes are posted where both initial finder and double checker is listed, but only initial finders get the new badges. Since these will be for all subprojects it should be in Number Crunching as sticky posts
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Largest Primes to Date:
As Double Checker: SR5 109208*5^1816285+1 Dgts-1,269,534
As Initial Finder: SR5 243944*5^1258576-1 Dgts-879,713
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Basically what I'm asking is will these badges be a new permanent thing for everyone in all subprojects for the current, future and past and are not just SoB or TdP.
* They're for all projects.
* They're permanent.
* Except for the TDP badges, they're retroactive.
Also Could these have threads of their own (for Mega since not all will be annoounced in NEWS section anymore + when a K is eliminated, to have separate threads for them) like how GFN primes are posted where both initial finder and double checker is listed, but only initial finders get the new badges. Since these will be for all subprojects it should be in Number Crunching as sticky posts
You are welcome to do that if you wish, but understand that since computers are getting faster and we have two separate projects dedicated to finding mega primes efficiently, the rate at which we find mega primes is already very high and will only increase. All the information you need to post a list of primes is publicly available, but none of us want to spend the time to create forum posts for increasingly common occurrences. You, or anyone else, is welcome to do so if you're willing to put in the time.
The "one million digit" threshold was an arbitrary number, and was significantly flawed in that as time advanced this metric went from "extremely rare" to "very common". "Top 100" is more reasonable metric. Note that the T5K list has always worked like that, which is the reason they no longer accept GFN-15 or SGS primes.
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11 and a half days...
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-12 12:22:01 UTC)
28061 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 28061 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
6096 (22%) came back with some kind of an error. [6096 (22%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
13927 (50%) have returned a successful result. [13927 (50%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
8038 (29%) are still in progress. [8038 (29%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
0 (0%) are pending validation. [0 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
13530 (97%) have been successfully validated. [13530 (97%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
142 (1%) were invalid. [142 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
255 (2%) are inconclusive. [255 (2%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=23540623. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
The double check is now 21.36% completed.
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12 days are done, 3 to go!
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-13 00:36:22 UTC)
28853 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 28853 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
6276 (22%) came back with some kind of an error. [6276 (22%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
14676 (51%) have returned a successful result. [14676 (51%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
7901 (27%) are still in progress. [7901 (27%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
2 (0%) are pending validation. [2 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
14275 (97%) have been successfully validated. [14275 (97%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
151 (1%) were invalid. [151 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
248 (2%) are inconclusive. [248 (2%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=23591252. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
The double check is now 21.73% complete.
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A few hours late because I was working on creating even more new badges. More about that in a day or three, but for now here's the statistics after about 12 and a half days.
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-13 14:08:54 UTC)
29637 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 29637 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
6439 (22%) came back with some kind of an error. [6439 (22%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
15473 (52%) have returned a successful result. [15473 (52%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
7725 (26%) are still in progress. [7725 (26%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
2 (0%) are pending validation. [2 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
15071 (97%) have been successfully validated. [15071 (97%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
155 (1%) were invalid. [155 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
245 (2%) are inconclusive. [245 (2%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=23644868. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
We are now completed 22.17% of the double check.
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Two days to go!
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-14 01:13:57 UTC)
30305 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 30305 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
6649 (22%) came back with some kind of an error. [6649 (22%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
16116 (53%) have returned a successful result. [16116 (53%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
7540 (25%) are still in progress. [7540 (25%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
3 (0%) are pending validation. [3 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
15702 (97%) have been successfully validated. [15702 (97%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
162 (1%) were invalid. [162 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
249 (2%) are inconclusive. [249 (2%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=23686087. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
The double check is 22.48% complete.
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One and a half days to go...
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-14 11:53:18 UTC)
30892 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 30892 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
6783 (22%) came back with some kind of an error. [6783 (22%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
16772 (54%) have returned a successful result. [16772 (54%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
7338 (24%) are still in progress. [7338 (24%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
3 (0%) are pending validation. [3 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
16348 (97%) have been successfully validated. [16348 (97%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
172 (1%) were invalid. [172 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
249 (1%) are inconclusive. [249 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=23720626. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
The double check is 22.82% completed.
With the challenge ending tomorrow, considering the length of these tasks, it's time for our public service announcement about being a good netizen as the challenge is completed...
At the Conclusion of the Challenge
We would prefer users "moving on" to finish those tasks they have downloaded, if not then please ABORT the WU's (and then UPDATE the PrimeGrid project) instead of DETACHING, RESETTING, or PAUSING.
ABORTING WU's allows them to be recycled immediately; thus a much faster "clean up" to the end of a Challenge. DETACHING, RESETTING, and PAUSING WU's causes them to remain in limbo until they EXPIRE. Therefore, we must wait until WU's expire to send them out to be completed. These tasks have a 21 day deadline, so that's up to three weeks we'd need to wait for just a single abandoned task. Thank you!
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There's less than 1 day remaining!
Challenge: Happy New Year
App: 13 (SoB-LLR)
(As of 2018-01-15 01:18:27 UTC)
31642 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 31642 (100%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of those tasks that have been sent out:
6980 (22%) came back with some kind of an error. [6980 (22%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
17589 (56%) have returned a successful result. [17589 (56%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
7073 (22%) are still in progress. [7073 (22%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:
4 (0%) are pending validation. [4 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
17135 (97%) have been successfully validated. [17135 (97%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
180 (1%) were invalid. [180 (1%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
270 (2%) are inconclusive. [270 (2%) / 0 (0%) / 0 (0%)]
The current leading edge (i.e., latest work unit for which work has actually been sent out to a host) is n=23763627. The leading edge was at n=19690628 at the beginning of the challenge.
The double check is now 23.25% complete.
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Michael, can you put together a histogram of SoB runtimes of valid units returned during the challenge? Time on horizontal axis, number on vertical axis. Choose whatever bin size makes sense.
If you feel up to it, show the different FFT sizes in diffferent colours in stacked bars.
Of course results won't be final until the inconclusive ones are determined to be valid or invalid.
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Michael, can you put together a histogram of SoB runtimes of valid units returned during the challenge? Time on horizontal axis, number on vertical axis. Choose whatever bin size makes sense.
If you feel up to it, show the different FFT sizes in diffferent colours in stacked bars.
Of course results won't be final until the inconclusive ones are determined to be valid or invalid.
Could I? Perhaps, but it would be a lot of work. Furthermore, the results would be badly distorted unless a lot of effort was made to account for effects like hyperthreading, multi-threading, and so forth. Even then, there will be many distorting factors. This isn't something I'd spend time doing.
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