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Message 102746 - Posted: 26 Dec 2016 | 23:43:48 UTC

I probably misunderstood something, but here we go.

If the "Generalized Cullen/Woodall Prime Search" is being moved from PRPNet to PrimeGrid proper, does that mean that a server slot is freed up?

If so, I’d like to propose a Wieferich-style search for Wilson or Wolstenholme primes (ideally both!).

My request is probably unrealistic or impractical for one reason or the other. Just wanted to bring this up.

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Message 102747 - Posted: 27 Dec 2016 | 1:17:07 UTC - in response to Message 102746.

I probably misunderstood something, but here we go.

If the "Generalized Cullen/Woodall Prime Search" is being moved from PRPNet to PrimeGrid proper, does that mean that a server slot is freed up?

If so, I’d like to propose a Wieferich-style search for Wilson or Wolstenholme primes (ideally both!).

My request is probably unrealistic or impractical for one reason or the other. Just wanted to bring this up.


WWWW was originally intended to do those two as well. (That's why it's got 4 W's.) It turned out to be impractical.

If you search the forums you'll probably find more information on this subject.

PRPNet doesn't really have any limitations regarding the number of ports we can run. They're all independent of each other, so removing 1 (or 10) doesn't have any impact on whether we can open another port. GCW will be at least the 7th project Jim and I have moved from PRPNet to BOINC.
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Message 102787 - Posted: 29 Dec 2016 | 0:31:50 UTC - in response to Message 102747.

OK, thanks.

>It turned out to be impractical.

Too bad. It would have added quite some spice to my searches. (Right now, due to the Wall-Sun-Sun bug, I can only search for Wieferich primes on this CPU-only machine. In the context of "Wieferich-style" searches, that is.)

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Message 104305 - Posted: 29 Jan 2017 | 11:19:18 UTC

How about this one...

Both known Wieferich primes (1093, 3511) have p in the form (repdigit + 1), with the repdigits expressed in a base X which is a power of 2.

p = 1093 base 10 = 444 + 1 base 16

p = 3511 base 10 = 6666 + 1 base 8

So for these known Wieferich primes, p - 1 has a repeating bit pattern. How about we add a PRPNet project to conduct a deep search restricted to this form of Wieferich prime candidate? It's a long shot.

This base X for the specification of repdigits is not the same thing as the base "b" of a generalized Wieferich. We are searching for possible solutions of the standard b = 2 Wieferich problem.

There are 3 dimensions for generating candidates (base X, repdigit D, repetitions R). The loop iterators for successive candidates in each dimension are:

for (X = 4; X < search limit; x *= 2)

for (D = 2; D < X; D += 2)

for (R = 2; R < search limit; R++)

Candidates may be prime or composite. Composite candidates can be rejected.

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Message 104308 - Posted: 29 Jan 2017 | 11:49:09 UTC - in response to Message 104305.
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How about this one...

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Message 104341 - Posted: 30 Jan 2017 | 10:07:37 UTC - in response to Message 104308.

How about this one...

Wieferich@Home --> http://elmath.org/

Great find!

They are doing 2 kinds of searches with the same CPU-only screensaver application.
1) a "complete test", for numbers above 1.1E15, currently at about 9E15 to 1.0E16
2) a "periodic test", testing numbers up to 3500 bits containing periods of 26 bits (currently). This is similar to what I proposed.

They found ONE near-Wieferich, 1170553064286511 (+1, -84) on 2007-11-22. The project is still active with over 2200 CPUs running.

PG PRPNet seems to be doing the "complete test", currently covering the range of 3E15 to 6.3E17. With the obvious overlap, I expected to see some duplication of near finds. But there are no duplicates.

How about PG PRPNet double-checking the range below 3E15? It's possible one or both projects has the software incorrect. They also seem to be wasting CPU cycles doing work that PG PRPNet has already done. We currently have about 31 finds meeting their criterion of nearness.

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Message 104369 - Posted: 30 Jan 2017 | 19:50:07 UTC - in response to Message 104341.

They also seem to be wasting CPU cycles doing work that PG PRPNet has already done
.

You can look at Wieferich@Home like very slow and inefficient double-check, far far behind.
Just try their CPU app and see the performance for yourself and compare it to GPU app.

(no, they were not willing to make their app better and keep in mind it really wasn't state-of-the-art 10 years ago)

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Message 104385 - Posted: 31 Jan 2017 | 6:33:45 UTC - in response to Message 104369.

They also seem to be wasting CPU cycles doing work that PG PRPNet has already done
.

You can look at Wieferich@Home like very slow and inefficient double-check, far far behind.
Just try their CPU app and see the performance for yourself and compare it to GPU app.

(no, they were not willing to make their app better and keep in mind it really wasn't state-of-the-art 10 years ago)

I did a careful count of near Wieferich with | distance | < = 128 reported by PG PRPNet, which is what they are looking for. PG PRPNet has 34 of these. The ones below 9E15 are these 9:
    3411159925463651
    3723113065138349
    3948546628939699
    4032459967159163
    4143792274787999
    4150209531584437
    5131427559624857
    5539428831517831
    6517506365514181

They have not reported finding any of these. What kind of double-check is that?

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Message 104397 - Posted: 31 Jan 2017 | 10:29:44 UTC - in response to Message 104385.

They also seem to be wasting CPU cycles doing work that PG PRPNet has already done
.

You can look at Wieferich@Home like very slow and inefficient double-check, far far behind.
Just try their CPU app and see the performance for yourself and compare it to GPU app.

(no, they were not willing to make their app better and keep in mind it really wasn't state-of-the-art 10 years ago)

I did a careful count of near Wieferich with | distance | < = 128 reported by PG PRPNet, which is what they are looking for. PG PRPNet has 34 of these. The ones below 9E15 are these 9:
    3411159925463651
    3723113065138349
    3948546628939699
    4032459967159163
    4143792274787999
    4150209531584437
    5131427559624857
    5539428831517831
    6517506365514181

They have not reported finding any of these. What kind of double-check is that?


Zeta-Flux also did a dodgy double-check up to 4*10^17:
http://www.mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=19476

PRPNet now past 6*10^17.
I've asked the wwww.exe author to fix the checksum, currently just outputs 0 unless it has a near find. I proved that can be fixed with a simple code change. 9.2*10^18 is the upper-bound the current software can search to, so good to get this sorted while we're in the "early" part of the range.

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Message 104714 - Posted: 6 Feb 2017 | 20:21:40 UTC - in response to Message 104397.

I've asked the wwww.exe author to fix the checksum, currently just outputs 0 unless it has a near find. I proved that can be fixed with a simple code change. 9.2*10^18 is the upper-bound the current software can search to, so good to get this sorted while we're in the "early" part of the range.


If someone wants to fix the checksum issue, I can post the code. I just haven't had time.

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Message 104719 - Posted: 6 Feb 2017 | 23:13:54 UTC - in response to Message 104714.

I've asked the wwww.exe author to fix the checksum, currently just outputs 0 unless it has a near find. I proved that can be fixed with a simple code change. 9.2*10^18 is the upper-bound the current software can search to, so good to get this sorted while we're in the "early" part of the range.


If someone wants to fix the checksum issue, I can post the code. I just haven't had time.

Much appreciated.
If you can post the CPU and GPU code somewhere then we can compile and test.

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Message 104780 - Posted: 8 Feb 2017 | 22:49:27 UTC - in response to Message 104719.

I've asked the wwww.exe author to fix the checksum, currently just outputs 0 unless it has a near find. I proved that can be fixed with a simple code change. 9.2*10^18 is the upper-bound the current software can search to, so good to get this sorted while we're in the "early" part of the range.


If someone wants to fix the checksum issue, I can post the code. I just haven't had time.

Much appreciated.
If you can post the CPU and GPU code somewhere then we can compile and test.


I'm out of town right now, but I'll post them here in the next few days.

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Message 104951 - Posted: 12 Feb 2017 | 14:09:21 UTC - in response to Message 104780.

http://www.mersenneforum.org/rogue/wwww_1.2.zip

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http://www.mersenneforum.org/rogue/wwwwcl_2.2.5.zip

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