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Discovered 6 mega primesEliminated 1 conjecture "k"Found 3 primes in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 mega prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 5 primes in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 6 primes in the 2020 Tour de PrimesFound 5 primes in the 2021 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2022 Tour de Primes321 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,736,922)Cullen LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,903,451)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,207,880)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,714,227)PPS LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (119,960,737)PSP LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (16,676,406)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,019,367)SR5 LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (26,030,253)SGS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,361,220)TPS LLR (retired) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (34,130)TRP LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (35,623,812)Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (8,171,820)321 Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,236,219)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,383,853)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,626,419)PPS Sieve Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (76,969,144)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,293,882)TRP Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,012,757)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (27,813,588)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (90,898,231)WW Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (34,040,000)PSA Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,939,755)
Message 88788 - Posted: 7 Oct 2015 | 11:23:37 UTC

I was just looking through my tasks and saw another inconclusive. Was it me or the wingman? In this case, the wingman has returned several bad units so I think the odds are it isn't me. What caught my eye was they did a SoB unit. 1.8M seconds, or near enough 3 weeks. Invalid. That's gotta hurt, if they were aware of it.

That made me think, what are the default settings for new users? Can they get anything, including SoB units? If so, I'm wondering if the longer projects (say, units taking days on a fast computer) might best default to not selected when a new user joins. Shorter units would present less risk, and if they like to stick around and get more advanced they can opt-in to longer units when they are ready.

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Discovered 10 mega primesEliminated 4 conjecture "k"sFound 2 primes in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de Primes Mountain Stage2019 Tour de Primes largest primeFound 4 primes in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 mega prime in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de Primes Mountain StageFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de PrimesFound 4 primes in the 2021 Tour de PrimesFound 1 mega prime in the 2021 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2021 Tour de Primes Mountain StageFound 2 primes in the 2022 Tour de PrimesFound 1 mega prime in the 2022 Tour de Primes321 LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (105,242,843)Cullen LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (101,538,484)ESP LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (100,642,296)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (106,956,296)PPS LLR Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (243,716,015)PSP LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (101,484,952)SoB LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (113,220,736)SR5 LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (162,202,242)SGS LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (100,409,432)TPS LLR (retired) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (43,033)TRP LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (100,338,924)Woodall LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (101,172,892)321 Sieve (suspended) Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (115,948,450)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,142,109)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (50,504,945)PPS Sieve Double Gold: Earned 500,000,000 credits (513,057,580)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,288,222)TRP Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,149,354)AP 26/27 Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (240,277,097)GFN Double Gold: Earned 500,000,000 credits (866,294,638)WW Double Ruby: Earned 2,000,000,000 credits (2,000,124,000)PSA Double Gold: Earned 500,000,000 credits (535,232,795)
Message 88789 - Posted: 7 Oct 2015 | 11:33:42 UTC

Well, this would work if majority of users do change their preferences.
BOINC is designed/promised to work with "attach and forget" approach.

Otherwise, longer projects would get much less share.
In a long, shorter projects would catch-up with longer ones.
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The "Shut up already!" badge:  This loud mouth has mansplained on the forums over 10 thousand times!  Sheesh!!!Discovered the World's First GFN-19 prime!!!Discovered 2 mega primesFound 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de PrimesFound 2 primes in the 2021 Tour de PrimesFound 2 primes in the 2022 Tour de PrimesFound 1 mega prime in the 2022 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2022 Tour de Primes Mountain Stage321 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,638,389)Cullen LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,038,114)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,177,890)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,094,541)PPS LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (23,642,050)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,956,186)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (36,067,618)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,645,567)SGS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,037,630)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,084,329)Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,032,821)321 Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,061,196)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,059,304)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (22,885,121)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,902,645)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (92,455,703)WW Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (65,888,000)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,445,029)
Message 88790 - Posted: 7 Oct 2015 | 11:48:45 UTC

The defaults are set to ESP-SIEVE for CPU tasks and PPS-SIEVE for GPU tasks.
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Discovered 6 mega primesEliminated 1 conjecture "k"Found 3 primes in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 mega prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 5 primes in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 6 primes in the 2020 Tour de PrimesFound 5 primes in the 2021 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2022 Tour de Primes321 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,736,922)Cullen LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,903,451)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,207,880)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,714,227)PPS LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (119,960,737)PSP LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (16,676,406)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,019,367)SR5 LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (26,030,253)SGS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,361,220)TPS LLR (retired) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (34,130)TRP LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (35,623,812)Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (8,171,820)321 Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,236,219)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,383,853)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,626,419)PPS Sieve Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (76,969,144)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,293,882)TRP Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,012,757)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (27,813,588)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (90,898,231)WW Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (34,040,000)PSA Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,939,755)
Message 88795 - Posted: 7 Oct 2015 | 13:11:32 UTC - in response to Message 88790.

Nice to hear. So if someone is doing a bit of everything, they must have chosen that at some point? Or perhaps have first joined so long ago that defaults may be different then?

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The "Shut up already!" badge:  This loud mouth has mansplained on the forums over 10 thousand times!  Sheesh!!!Discovered the World's First GFN-19 prime!!!Discovered 2 mega primesFound 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de PrimesFound 2 primes in the 2021 Tour de PrimesFound 2 primes in the 2022 Tour de PrimesFound 1 mega prime in the 2022 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2022 Tour de Primes Mountain Stage321 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,638,389)Cullen LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,038,114)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,177,890)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,094,541)PPS LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (23,642,050)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,956,186)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (36,067,618)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,645,567)SGS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,037,630)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,084,329)Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,032,821)321 Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,061,196)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,059,304)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (22,885,121)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,902,645)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (92,455,703)WW Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (65,888,000)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,445,029)
Message 88796 - Posted: 7 Oct 2015 | 13:19:51 UTC - in response to Message 88795.

Nice to hear. So if someone is doing a bit of everything, they must have chosen that at some point? Or perhaps have first joined so long ago that defaults may be different then?


Lots of reasons.
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The "Shut up already!" badge:  This loud mouth has mansplained on the forums over 10 thousand times!  Sheesh!!!Discovered the World's First GFN-19 prime!!!Discovered 2 mega primesFound 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de PrimesFound 2 primes in the 2021 Tour de PrimesFound 2 primes in the 2022 Tour de PrimesFound 1 mega prime in the 2022 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2022 Tour de Primes Mountain Stage321 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,638,389)Cullen LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,038,114)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,177,890)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,094,541)PPS LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (23,642,050)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,956,186)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (36,067,618)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,645,567)SGS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,037,630)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,084,329)Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,032,821)321 Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,061,196)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,059,304)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (22,885,121)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,902,645)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (92,455,703)WW Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (65,888,000)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,445,029)
Message 88798 - Posted: 7 Oct 2015 | 13:59:07 UTC
Last modified: 7 Oct 2015 | 14:06:04 UTC

It seems that the system was only applying the defaults for new users if they created the account via the BOINC manager GUI. If you created the account from the web page you got no defaults and thus could be sent anything. I've changed the web page to also allow apply the defaults to accounts created via the web.

Also, to clarify what I said before, the default GPU app is indeed PPS-SIEVE, however new users don't have GPU computing turned on by default. They need to turn that on themselves in the preferences page. New users should only be running ESP-Sieve until they change the preferences themselves.
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The "Shut up already!" badge:  This loud mouth has mansplained on the forums over 10 thousand times!  Sheesh!!!Discovered the World's First GFN-19 prime!!!Discovered 2 mega primesFound 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de PrimesFound 2 primes in the 2021 Tour de PrimesFound 2 primes in the 2022 Tour de PrimesFound 1 mega prime in the 2022 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2022 Tour de Primes Mountain Stage321 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,638,389)Cullen LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,038,114)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,177,890)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,094,541)PPS LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (23,642,050)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,956,186)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (36,067,618)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,645,567)SGS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,037,630)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,084,329)Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,032,821)321 Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,061,196)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,059,304)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (22,885,121)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,902,645)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (92,455,703)WW Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (65,888,000)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,445,029)
Message 88814 - Posted: 7 Oct 2015 | 21:40:27 UTC

In addition to changing the defaults to new accounts, I have also retroactively changed the project preferences for all users who have never set their own preferences. Note that this change ONLY applies to people who have never set any preferences. If you've ever set any PrimeGrid preferences, nothing was changed.

Chances are, if you've never set any preferences, you either don't know that there are preferences to be set, don't know how to change them, or don't care what tasks you get.

I therefore suspect that most people whom this will affect won't notice any difference, mostly because they're not paying attention to what their computer is doing at PrimeGrid. Perhaps they might notice that it's no longer running absurdly long tasks, which they'll likely appreciate.

If you are affected by this, and prefer the old "send me anything at random" behavior, just go to the project preferences page and select all the CPU sub-projects.


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Discovered 6 mega primesEliminated 1 conjecture "k"Found 3 primes in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 mega prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 5 primes in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 6 primes in the 2020 Tour de PrimesFound 5 primes in the 2021 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2022 Tour de Primes321 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,736,922)Cullen LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,903,451)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,207,880)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,714,227)PPS LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (119,960,737)PSP LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (16,676,406)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,019,367)SR5 LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (26,030,253)SGS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,361,220)TPS LLR (retired) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (34,130)TRP LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (35,623,812)Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (8,171,820)321 Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,236,219)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,383,853)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,626,419)PPS Sieve Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (76,969,144)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,293,882)TRP Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,012,757)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (27,813,588)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (90,898,231)WW Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (34,040,000)PSA Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,939,755)
Message 88817 - Posted: 7 Oct 2015 | 22:22:46 UTC

Nice updates :)

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