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Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (31,368)PPS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,246,230)SR5 LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (235,339)SGS LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (500,635)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (513,917)PPS Sieve Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (100,590,640)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,724,311)TRP Sieve (suspended) Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (557,005)AP 26/27 Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (50,040,211)GFN Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (104,568,221)
Message 84421 - Posted: 28 Mar 2015 | 1:56:15 UTC

Last night I started a new GFN WR and it promptly reported that the remaining time would be 312 hours. That is not unusual. This morning the remaining time was reported to be 141+ hours Tonight the remaining time was reported to be 131+ hours. All of this on identity #1 on Win 7.

I switched to identity #2 in Win 7 and started Boinc. It reported 307 hours
remaining.

Now approx 2 hours later I switched back to Identity #1 and Boinc is reporting 302+ hours remaining.

What gives?

Does the wu start over when the identity changes?
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The "Shut up already!" badge:  This loud mouth has mansplained on the forums over 10 thousand times!  Sheesh!!!Discovered the World's First GFN-19 prime!!!Discovered 2 mega primesFound 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de PrimesFound 2 primes in the 2021 Tour de PrimesFound 2 primes in the 2022 Tour de PrimesFound 1 mega prime in the 2022 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2022 Tour de Primes Mountain StageFound 1 prime in the 2023 Tour de Primes321 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,949,793)Cullen LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,513,946)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,150,009)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,094,541)PPS LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (24,049,916)PSP LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (11,203,327)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (36,601,737)SR5 LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (22,821,256)SGS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,372,100)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,308,522)Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,390,624)321 Sieve (suspended) Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,061,196)Cullen/Woodall Sieve Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (51,764,198)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,059,304)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (22,888,492)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (22,708,205)GFN Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (120,616,519)WW (retired) Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (88,580,000)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (13,196,884)
Message 84544 - Posted: 2 Apr 2015 | 17:13:23 UTC - in response to Message 84421.

What exactly do you mean by "identity changing"?

If you're doing something that causes the BOINC server to think your computer is a different computer, that's likely going to cause problems. Those problems likely include abandonment (complete loss) of existing tasks on the computer.

Supposedly there's a safe way to run multiple instances of BOINC on a single computer, but I've never tried it and can't provide any guidance for that.
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Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (31,368)PPS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,246,230)SR5 LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (235,339)SGS LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (500,635)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (513,917)PPS Sieve Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (100,590,640)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,724,311)TRP Sieve (suspended) Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (557,005)AP 26/27 Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (50,040,211)GFN Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (104,568,221)
Message 84623 - Posted: 5 Apr 2015 | 23:30:57 UTC

What exactly do you mean by "identity changing"?

If you're doing something that causes the BOINC server to think your computer is a different computer, that's likely going to cause problems. Those problems likely include abandonment (complete loss) of existing tasks on the computer.

Supposedly there's a safe way to run multiple instances of BOINC on a single computer, but I've never tried it and can't provide any guidance for that.
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This is definitely not a case of multiple instances of Boinc on the same computer. As I watch the time remaining estimate I think it is either the inability of Boinc to make anywhere near a correct time remaining OR it is a case of the wu backing up to the last point where it can start again. In wus other than GFR I noticed that when work is suspended and then restarted the remaining time will back up a few minutes or so but will quickly catch back up. Maybe the GFR wus don't establish a point of reference very often that it can return to and a whole series has to begin over.
I am leaning toward Boinc as the problem.
At the same time it would be interesting know how the wus know where to restart after a suspension.

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Discovered 2 mega primesFound 3 primes in the 2018 Tour de Primes321 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,455,451)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,307,158)ESP LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (729,408)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,205,397)PPS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,818,034)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,113,325)SoB LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,082,298)SR5 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,284,829)SGS LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (632,629)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,321,051)Woodall LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (127,395)321 Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (88,433)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,626,395)PPS Sieve Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (135,099,567)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (555,042)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,089,296)AP 26/27 Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,347,510)GFN Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (245,433,778)WW (retired) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,284,000)
Message 84624 - Posted: 6 Apr 2015 | 3:57:33 UTC - in response to Message 84623.

This is definitely not a case of multiple instances of Boinc on the same computer.

Then what is "identity changing"? I've never heard that term relative to BOINC.

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Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (31,368)PPS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,246,230)SR5 LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (235,339)SGS LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (500,635)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (513,917)PPS Sieve Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (100,590,640)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,724,311)TRP Sieve (suspended) Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (557,005)AP 26/27 Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (50,040,211)GFN Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (104,568,221)
Message 84634 - Posted: 6 Apr 2015 | 13:31:12 UTC


Having multiple identities is a function of Windows and not Boinc. It allows different users to share the same computer and programs but remain private from each other. Within limits. For me I have a personal identity and also a business identity for the business my wife and I have. They run on the same machine with email, browsers and some programs shared and some not. When I switch from my personal identity to the business identity I can also run Boinc and the wus that were running on the personal identity will be running on the business identity. Boinc is unaware that I changed identity.
I started a new GFN on 4/2 and Boinc reported that it would finish in 162 hours. Since then the estimated time has gone up and down with the estimate at 1 time being over 400 hours. This morning it reports 182 hours.

Boinc estimating run times is like attempting to estimate the time the fox chasing a rabbit will finally catch it.
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Discovered 2 mega primesFound 3 primes in the 2018 Tour de Primes321 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,455,451)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,307,158)ESP LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (729,408)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,205,397)PPS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,818,034)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,113,325)SoB LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,082,298)SR5 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,284,829)SGS LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (632,629)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,321,051)Woodall LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (127,395)321 Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (88,433)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,626,395)PPS Sieve Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (135,099,567)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (555,042)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,089,296)AP 26/27 Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,347,510)GFN Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (245,433,778)WW (retired) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,284,000)
Message 84635 - Posted: 6 Apr 2015 | 16:26:09 UTC - in response to Message 84634.
Last modified: 6 Apr 2015 | 16:27:12 UTC

Having multiple identities is a function of Windows and not Boinc.

Thanks for the clarification. It's normally referred to as a user account. I have a couple of user accounts on this machine. If I access BOINC from any of the accounts, I always run as Admin from a shortcut on the desktop, with shortcut advanced properties set to run as administrator. It's been a few years, but I believe I used to have some inconsistencies in the way BOINC would run from different user accounts on my computer, so when I run them as admin it runs the same and continues from where it left off under any account.

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Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (31,368)PPS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,246,230)SR5 LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (235,339)SGS LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (500,635)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (513,917)PPS Sieve Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (100,590,640)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,724,311)TRP Sieve (suspended) Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (557,005)AP 26/27 Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (50,040,211)GFN Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (104,568,221)
Message 84650 - Posted: 6 Apr 2015 | 22:41:30 UTC

I think I run Boinc as an administrator but when I download the latest version I will make sure.
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