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Discovered 1 mega prime2012 Tour de Primes highest prime scoreFound 2 primes in the 2018 Tour de Primes321 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (14,116,665)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,622,415)ESP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,461,313)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,521,709)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,419,603)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,387,311)SoB LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,923,258)SR5 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,285,621)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,349,916)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,527,307)Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,295,630)321 Sieve Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,664,568)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,449,019)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,388,253)PPS Sieve Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (337,847,415)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,072,601)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,441,257)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (21,225,750)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (44,249,129)PSA Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (79,952,619)
Message 38655 - Posted: 25 Jul 2011 | 11:38:19 UTC

I have three hosts crunching SGS LLR. In one of them (intel i5 2500 running windows 7), the minimum quorum reported to all the tasks it gets is 1. The other two (an intel i3 350 M and a t7400) get SGS tasks with a minimum quorum of 2, which means I only get credit after a wingman finishes the same task.

Is this just a coincidence (if so it is a very weird one, considering the number of tasks crunched) or the minimum quorum is in any way CPU defined?


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Discovered 1 mega primeEliminated 1 conjecture "k"Discovered 1 twin prime321 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,014,405)Cullen LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,734,854)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,421,149)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,576,209)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (11,266,726)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (9,352,326)SoB LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (8,986,628)SR5 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,248,659)SGS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,878,856)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,416,106)Woodall LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,400,237)321 Sieve Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,000,576)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,000,977)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,843,367)PPS Sieve Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (78,673,438)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (6,473,750)TRP Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (8,243,608)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (11,734,912)GFN Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (202,192,765)PSA Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,042,125)
Message 38665 - Posted: 25 Jul 2011 | 13:34:17 UTC - in response to Message 38655.

Some of the LLR tasks have adaptive validation meaning if a host is clean enough it can be given tasks without a wingman.

Now on the other ones are you getting the work first or second? If you actually get the work second you could still be under the adaptive validation and being set as a wingman against others who have not proven themselves.

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Discovered 1 mega prime2012 Tour de Primes highest prime scoreFound 2 primes in the 2018 Tour de Primes321 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (14,116,665)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,622,415)ESP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,461,313)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,521,709)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,419,603)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,387,311)SoB LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,923,258)SR5 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,285,621)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,349,916)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,527,307)Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,295,630)321 Sieve Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,664,568)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,449,019)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,388,253)PPS Sieve Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (337,847,415)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,072,601)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,441,257)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (21,225,750)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (44,249,129)PSA Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (79,952,619)
Message 38669 - Posted: 25 Jul 2011 | 14:33:44 UTC - in response to Message 38665.

On the others, I've got tasks as first and as second as well. All of them, as far as I can see, have two valid results, so I guess those two hosts are not considered "clean enough".

Thanks for the quick reply.

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Eliminated 2 conjecture "k"s321 LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (338,447)Cullen LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (421,054)ESP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (298,656)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (475,370)PPS LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (586,086)PSP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (404,367)SoB LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (778,861)SR5 LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (85,748)SGS LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (105,434)TRP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (152,517)Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,472,623)321 Sieve Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (20,307)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (200,096)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (85,743)PPS Sieve Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (733,035)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (20,039)TRP Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (100,597)AP 26/27 Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (271,502)GFN Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,429,487)PSA Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (211,837)
Message 38680 - Posted: 25 Jul 2011 | 18:14:57 UTC - in response to Message 38669.

Replicates are probably randomly sent out to "good" hosts as a quality assurance verification.
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Discovered 1 mega prime2012 Tour de Primes highest prime scoreFound 2 primes in the 2018 Tour de Primes321 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (14,116,665)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,622,415)ESP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,461,313)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,521,709)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,419,603)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,387,311)SoB LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,923,258)SR5 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,285,621)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,349,916)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,527,307)Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,295,630)321 Sieve Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,664,568)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,449,019)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,388,253)PPS Sieve Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (337,847,415)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,072,601)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,441,257)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (21,225,750)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (44,249,129)PSA Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (79,952,619)
Message 38695 - Posted: 25 Jul 2011 | 21:27:43 UTC - in response to Message 38680.

Well, I can see two WU's with a wingman in my "clean host" now.
I was the first to report work, but the second to get it. So, I believe Pooh Bear's explanation seems to fit better.
I'm only crunching a couple subprojects, so I wonder if the adaptative validation only applies to SGS LLR or to other LLR subprojects too (I always get wingmaned work in PSP and 321).
Any idea on how "clean enough" and "not so clean" (or "not proven clean") hosts are identified?
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Message 38697 - Posted: 25 Jul 2011 | 23:19:40 UTC

I have only seen the adaptive work on SGS and PPS so far.

They do not state what is considered clean. Plus they will every so often have yours double checked just to make sure it's still on par.

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Found 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de Primes321 LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (503,464)Cullen LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (500,149)ESP LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (515,497)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (527,019)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,004,789)PSP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,006,254)SoB LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (538,748)SR5 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,023,812)SGS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (19,922,350)TRP LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (506,533)Woodall LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (536,003)321 Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,011,269)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (52,021,564)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,134,887)PPS Sieve Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (100,260,654)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,761,921)TRP Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,020,224)AP 26/27 Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (100,055,458)GFN Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (18,512,520)
Message 38737 - Posted: 26 Jul 2011 | 20:50:09 UTC - in response to Message 38697.

Adaptive replication is detailed here, including an exact definition of what is considered a "clean host": http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/AdaptiveReplication

At primegrid, AR is used on 3 subprojects - PPS LLR, Sophie Germain LLR and the Riesel Problem LLR. All other LLR subprojects (321, etc) do not use this. i.e. these other workunits will require wingmen before credit is granted.

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Eliminated 2 conjecture "k"s321 LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (338,447)Cullen LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (421,054)ESP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (298,656)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (475,370)PPS LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (586,086)PSP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (404,367)SoB LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (778,861)SR5 LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (85,748)SGS LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (105,434)TRP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (152,517)Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,472,623)321 Sieve Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (20,307)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (200,096)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (85,743)PPS Sieve Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (733,035)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (20,039)TRP Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (100,597)AP 26/27 Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (271,502)GFN Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,429,487)PSA Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (211,837)
Message 38741 - Posted: 26 Jul 2011 | 22:49:50 UTC - in response to Message 38737.

Of course, if a prime is found, it is then checked by multiple people/programs.
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