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I've realised that there isn't any topic to compare and centralised the "Crunching Power" of our graphic gards under Primegrid !
So in order to simplify the choice of GPU when buying a new graphic card, I suggest to post our results here in term of points.
I start with my numbers and some from my team members
PPS Sieve:
Ubuntu: ATI 5870@Stock: Average: 1 370s per task - 2 311pts - 6 073 pts/h - 145 700 pts/day
Gentoo: ATI 5870@Stock? : 1 050s per task - 2 311pts - 7 923 pts/h - 190 200 pts/day
Gentoo: Nvidia GTX580@Stock: 400s - 2311 pts - 20 800 pts/h - 499 200 pts/day
Windows 7 64b: ATI5970@Stock? : 1 150s per task - 2 311pts - 7 230 pts/h - 173 600 pts/day X2
And you ?
NB: Later, I will do a table to get a better comparisan, based on our results. |
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Take look in the thread The Winter Solstice Challenge...
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Oups...My post is useless then...sorry.
No post is useless.
Proth Prime Search (Sieve) - GPU performance
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Oups...My post is useless then...sorry.
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What I did so far was to take the GTX/GTS 4xx and 5xx and to also check the price of these, in order to find the best perf/price.
For ATI, it is clear that Nvidia beat them (that's why I took only the latest Nvidia version)
Here is the table (Simple Excel table)
What you can see is that unsurprisingly the model GTX 480/580, because of their price, have not a good perf/value.
But globally, based on this table, I think a GTX570 is a good value for those who want points and evolutivity.
Note that my prices are in euros, based on the french price comparison website "i-comparateur". And that the UT duration is based on the Windows app.
Don't know if it's worthy to do the same with other Nvidia cards, or ATI cards. |
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I think a GTX570 is a good value for those who want points and evolutivity
Same thing I've Posted several Times already in the Forum, but I guess it's more Official looking with a Graph ... ;)
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Nice Table! I will get some times for other/older cards for you to add later today or tomorrow...
If I might make a couple of suggestions...
1) Times for all cards will vary by clock speeds (especially shader clock...sometimes with substantial variation). It would be nice to add core/shader/memory clocks as columns. (*note: for ATI, core and shader clock are the same*)
2) Given that the application changes from time-to-time as well as the natural progression of PG apps tends to change the speed at which they run (e.g., as one gets deeper into a sieve), it would be a good idea to have columns for app. version as well as the date data was gathered.
3) For some general card classes, there are multiple and different models which should be listed separately. For example, the GTX 460 has at least 3 distinct models (SE [only 288 shaders], the 768mb VRAM version [only 192-bit memory interface], and the standard version).
Also, as a more general suggestion, it would be good (when possible) for contributions to the table to be based on an average of 10 or more workunits.
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If you are looking for results from really ancient NV cards, I am pointing you at a 10 year old dual P3@933, running under W2K, on which I crunch using 2xPCI legacy GeForce 9,500GT cards. |
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If you are looking for results from really ancient NV cards, I am pointing you at a 10 year old dual P3@933, running under W2K, on which I crunch using 2xPCI legacy GeForce 9,500GT cards.
Hey hey... don't be knocking those 9500 gt cards... I have one and it well it...
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The 9500 GT isn't that old, John, but it's not exactly modern either...but (even though you linked to a different host) it still looks like it's completing tasks at a fairly decent rate. Just a tad slower than my notebook chip, and I only have one of those, anyway. Good stuff!
And good on you for having a Coppermine (right? that's a guess) that's still running. I've a history of bad luck with keeping my oldest systems running well or at all.
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How about this, then:
Win32 + GTX 460 (1024MB) OC@ 810/1000(4000)/1620 = 630s-640s/WU using PPS sieve 1.38
It's a factory-overclocked card (meaning it's more stable than, say, what one might do to a stock card) that cost US$130 (about 95 Euros).
Given you've listed the stock GTX 460 at 126 Euros, I guess GPUs are more expensive in France. Either that or I got a really good deal.
My card consistently beats the stock 470 and in most cases is comparable to a stock 480. Sometimes it's faster, even. From what I hear, it's also a bit less hot...
Nice table, yes. I feel better about my purchase now...!
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If you are looking for results from really ancient NV cards, I am pointing you at a 10 year old dual P3@933, running under W2K, on which I crunch using 2xPCI legacy GeForce 9,500GT cards.
Hey hey... don't be knocking those 9500 gt cards... I have one and it well it...
Not knocking them Rick. I was surprised at the output and RAC before I decided to add the COU power of my other PCs. Now playing with bringing in the odd ATI GPU.
Also, I was hoping to either find another couple of 9,500GT cards for my dual Xeon, under XP 32 bit, to use the PCI-X/PCI slots (I know the 9,500GT works in PCI) or getting a more powerful GeForce card (like a 9,800 GT) for PCI is these exist/can be purchased.
I am not successful in my nVidia forum discussions ATM. |
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...I will get some times for other/older cards for you to add later today or tomorrow...
Okay...here are some for you. I list these as follows:
Card, Core/Shader/Memory clocks, Time in seconds, *any special notes
GTX 460 800/1600/1840 679 *768mb version
GTS 450 951/1903/2000 978
9800 GTX 675/1688/1100 1833
GTS 240 675/1620/1100 2150
9600 GSO 650/1750/900 2356
8800 GS 550/1608/800 2503
GT 240 550/1340/1700 3141
9400 GT 500/1400/800 8999 *32 shader version from ASUS
8600 GT 540/1400/700 9383
8400 GS 450/1000/400 26537
8400M GS 400/800/600 30542
HD4650 712/712/400 8086
HD4550 600/600/400 31348
I have a couple of HD4670's with different clocks that I'll add once I get home this evening.
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It's a factory-overclocked card (meaning it's more stable than, say, what one might do to a stock card) that cost US$130 (about 95 Euros).
Given you've listed the stock GTX 460 at 126 Euros, I guess GPUs are more expensive in France. Either that or I got a really good deal.
My GTX 460 was $140 (and I have a $20 rebate to mail in this week), so I'd agree that the European prices are a bit higher in general. Perhaps prices in Euros as presented could also be paired with US Dollars (coming from NewEgg maybe?) to see which card is the better price performer in a given context...looks like they might be quite different?
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you guys realize that current WU's are running longer than before and will run faster soon? |
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you guys realize that current WU's are running longer than before and will run faster soon?
I presume the GPUs will run faster because of a new PPS (sieve) GPU client, which will automatically download when new work is requested?
When will this change (faster work) take place? |
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you guys realize that current WU's are running longer than before and will run faster soon?
My times have mostly dropped back to near where they were before the lower range missed gaps were reintroduced (at least beginning last night), so the times posted for the faster cards are exclusively these...but you are right, I will update the times posted for my cards in a few days to make sure that only the shorter units are included in the averages.
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How about this, then:
Win32 + GTX 460 (1024MB) OC@ 810/1000(4000)/1620 = 630s-640s/WU using PPS sieve 1.38
My card consistently beats the stock 470 and in most cases is comparable to a stock 480. Sometimes it's faster, even. From what I hear, it's also a bit less hot...
Nice table, yes. I feel better about my purchase now...!
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The Pair of GTX 470's I have run the Wu's in about 455-460 Seconds 910-920 Seconds running 2 @ a Time on each Card with about a 10% Overclock. They were given to me by Sparkle as replacements for 2 GTX 460's I had to RMA for Fan Failure ...
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ookay, I'm wrong again.
Well...I have, in the past, OC'd the 460 to 1000/4500/2000 and run WUs in close to that time, but that's not very stable. It doesn't overheat but tasks error out a bit too much to show any real net gain in credits. And really...it's not all about credits for me. I just like pushing my hardware to the limit.
Funnily enough, my card was also a replacement...but of a GTX 260 that was sold to me defective, underclocked, and without telling me the company that made it had closed and would no longer offer RMA technical support and the "lifetime" warranty. I'm surprised I didn't have to fight that. :)
Maybe that's why my 460 was so cheap :o
At any rate, I think I'll wait til Kepler to upgrade again.
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Thanks for all your message.
Scott, your suggestions are more than welcome.
So I will modify my table later to add new spec. |
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looks like we are back into 18P range now.
so:
GTS250 - shaders @ 1990: 1.450 secs
GTX260 - shaders @ 1480: 1.480 secs (old 192 core version)
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looks like we are back into 18P range now.
so:
GTS250 - shaders @ 1990: 1.450 secs
GTX260 - shaders @ 1480: 1.480 secs (old 192 core version)
and a note: core-clock has about no influence here...
Was just wondering if I've misread this post. You are running a pps in under 2 seconds?
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looks like we are back into 18P range now.
so:
GTS250 - shaders @ 1990: 1.450 secs
GTX260 - shaders @ 1480: 1.480 secs (old 192 core version)
and a note: core-clock has about no influence here...
Was just wondering if I've misread this post. You are running a pps in under 2 seconds?
LOL!
i'm german - numbers around here look like that: 1.000,00
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looks like we are back into 18P range now.
so:
GTS250 - shaders @ 1990: 1.450 secs
GTX260 - shaders @ 1480: 1.480 secs (old 192 core version)
and a note: core-clock has about no influence here...
Was just wondering if I've misread this post. You are running a pps in under 2 seconds?
LOL!
i'm german - numbers around here look like that: 1.000,00
so it's onethousandfourhundredsomething..
Whew, if it had been true, then you'd have been overwhelmed with requests to get them GPU's and get them setup!!
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Updated times now that we have returned to the 18P range:
Card, Core/Shader/Memory clocks, Time in seconds, *any special notes
GTX 460 800/1600/1840 645 *768mb version
GTS 450 951/1903/2000 941
9800 GTX 675/1688/1100 1702
GTS 240 675/1620/1100 no update...card may have died :(
9600 GSO 650/1750/900 2207
8800 GS 550/1608/800 2348
GT 240 550/1340/1700 2929
9400 GT 500/1400/800 8372 *32 shader version from ASUS
8600 GT 540/1400/700 8836
8400 GS 450/1000/400 24695
8400M GS 400/800/600 28416
HD4670 805/805/900 6660
HD4670 778/778/1000 6823
HD4650 712/712/400 7589
HD4550 600/600/400 28684
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I wonder if some1 put the hands on 560. My buddy asking if he can save couple of $$ taking 560 instead of 570. Me personally do not think so though. |
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post my GTX480:
Gtx480 @ 808/2006/1616
average time: 319 seconds
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I wonder if some1 put the hands on 560. My buddy asking if he can save couple of $$ taking 560 instead of 570. Me personally do not think so though.
Indeed, it would be interesting to see the performance of this card ! |
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My new Palit GTX 570... eyeballing the results, looks like about 380 seconds average. Everything on the system is stock so far, no o/c. Yet. :-)
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My new Palit GTX 570... eyeballing the results, looks like about 380 seconds average. Everything on the system is stock so far, no o/c. Yet. :-)
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p.s. Ubuntu 10.10, AMD PhenomII 1090T
I'm "addicted" linux (ubuntu namely) user, but drivers are nightmare still :-(
260.1936 are the best, but somewhat 7-8% slower windows' one - 266.58 though. 260.1929 - just crap (http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=188521), 270.18 are even slower then 260.1936. So, I still on windows :-( |
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Thanks for the table.
AT the moment I am running a single host with a GTX275 which is also my normal leasure pc.
If I were to upgrade the graphics part I initially think of the GTX570 as a wise choice.
For a bit less money though I could also get a dual GTX460. I have no experience with a dual card system but that only makes it more interesting.
What would be the best choice? My main requirement since the pc is in the living room is that it is QUIET. A noisy pc I tend to shutdown a lot more, I get enough noise at work.
It all needs to be serviced by a cooler master silent 600 watt power supply.
The rest of the system is a standard i7 860 with two internal disks.
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I would get the 570 if you have the Money for it, it's very comparable to the 580 but costs a lot less ...
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I would get the 570 if you have the Money for it, it's very comparable to the 580 but costs a lot less ...
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Thanks for the table.
AT the moment I am running a single host with a GTX275 which is also my normal leasure pc.
If I were to upgrade the graphics part I initially think of the GTX570 as a wise choice.
For a bit less money though I could also get a dual GTX460. I have no experience with a dual card system but that only makes it more interesting.
What would be the best choice? My main requirement since the pc is in the living room is that it is QUIET. A noisy pc I tend to shutdown a lot more, I get enough noise at work.
It all needs to be serviced by a cooler master silent 600 watt power supply.
The rest of the system is a standard i7 860 with two internal disks.
Thanks..
Around 200W TDP per GTX can not be cooled really quiet and don't forget the energy bill...
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Have you considered the newly launched nVidia GTX560 Ti, which has a good street price, lower power demand and is said to be more powerful than the GTX570? |
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Thanks for the tip, I did not know that the 560 existed. Seems like a good best of the rest choice beating my current GTX275 nicely.
Depends a bit on availability and price I guess |
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Here's a nice table where you can see some more details of the 560 compared to the rest of the GTX's
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Have you considered the newly launched nVidia GTX560 Ti, which has a good street price, lower power demand and is said to be more powerful than the GTX570?
I'll have to see that to believe it, if you go by the Spec's then it should even be faster than the 580. the Drawback to the 560 is the Lower amount of Shader Cores (CUDA-cores) which play an important part in CUDA Processing.
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I had seen some factory OC'ed GTX560 with a core takt from 1GHz...
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I had seen some factory OC'ed GTX560 with a core takt from 1GHz...
It's still all about the Amount of Shader's, I can Overclock my 570's to the same speed as my 580's but the 580's are still faster simply because they have more Shaders. Same thing with my HD 5850's & HD 5870's. Overclock the 5850's to 5870 Speeds and the 5870's are faster plus according to some Testing I did the 5850's use more Electricity that the 5870's did at the same Speed's ...
Same thing with the 460's, Clock them to 570 Speeds and the 570's are way faster because they have lot's more Shaders, from the Specs the 560's have the same amount of Shaders as the 460's. Maybe for Gaming the 560's might be great but I think people are going to be disappointed if they buy them for BOINC & think their going to be World Beaters. When you say the 560's are "said to be more powerful than the GTX570" then your saying their as fast as the 580's, for Gaming maybe, for BOINC NO, Prove me Wrong ... ;)
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...from the Specs the 560's have the same amount of Shaders as the 460's.
Wrong. ;)
GTX460: 336 shaders
GTX560: 384 shaders
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GTX460 SE: only 288 shaders
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...from the Specs the 560's have the same amount of Shaders as the 460's.
Wrong. ;)
GTX460: 336 shaders
GTX560: 384 shaders
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GTX460 SE: only 288 shaders
Okay I said that without looking but the 570's have almost 100 more Shaders than the 560 does, that's a lot and plays a big part in BOINC GPU Processing ...
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Part of the argument should be the price the GTX560 Ti can be bought at compared to the other GTX5xx models. The latter may have more shaders, and a slightly better crunching performance. But the 560 draws less power and is considerably cheaper.
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8800 GS 725/1880/930 ==> 2.060 s with 260 driver 2.269 c
8800 GS 725/1880/930 ==> 4.122 s with 266 driver 4.568 c
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8800 GS 725/1880/930 ==> 2.060 s with 260 driver 2.269 c
8800 GS 725/1880/930 ==> 4.122 s with 266 driver 4.568 c
FYI...PPS (Sieve) tasks have been doubled in preparation for the Challenge. This will help lower the load on the server as well as reduce the size of the DB.
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8800 GS 725/1880/930 ==> 2.060 s with 260 driver 2.269 c
8800 GS 725/1880/930 ==> 4.122 s with 266 driver 4.568 c
FYI...PPS (Sieve) tasks have been doubled in preparation for the Challenge. This will help lower the load on the server as well as reduce the size of the DB.
I noticed that yesterday already, didn't think to much of it & figured that's what they were doing. But it seems to have completely messed up my Cache's now. Most of my Box's only have a 2-4 Wu Cache now for the GPU's, why they got so messed up I don't know ...
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Hi there,
Sorry for not having replied earlier. Been busy during this Chinese New Year.
So based on your latest info, here is what I got:
However, it would be nice to improve the reliability of these number and also improve the scope.
Hence, I'm asking you to check these value if you have such a card.
Also, if you can give me more info about your cards, new cards, etc...it would be perfect, being based on the latest PPS app.
I might prefer that you use this format (but anyway, it is already kind that you provide me your numbers)
Graphic_card_name - Freq - time
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For your table:
Long WUs
GTX 295 --- GPU: 630, Mem:1008, Shader: 1368 ---- 2280 sec
8800 GT 512 (G92) --- GPU: 602, Mem:900, Shader: 1512 (All Stock) ---- 4320sec
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For the current "long" units... the ones put in place just before the Rabbit challenge:
GT 120 (at stock: core 500 MHz, shader 1400 Mhz, mem 800Mhz, per wikipedia): 18,270 seconds. It's an iMac purchased August 2009.
Note that the prior figure I submitted for my newer box (GTX 570, 380 seconds) is for the *shorter* WU's, before their size was doubled pre-challenge.
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HD 6850 (OC'd)
Core:850 mhz
Memory:1150 mhz
Shader Units: 960
Average WU time: ~3300 seconds (Unsure of how to check if they are long or short WU's. Have not been a part of project very long) |
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HD 6850 (OC'd)
Core:850 mhz
Memory:1150 mhz
Shader Units: 960
Average WU time: ~3300 seconds (Unsure of how to check if they are long or short WU's. Have not been a part of project very long)
I have the same gpu, not oc'd though, and am doing them in just under 3700 seconds and it has a rac of just over 80k. Its rac was higher but is down due to the validator issues right now. |
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Any GTX560 ?
I know it is difficult right now to do some comparison, but we need all of us to give our data based on same app/type of WU.
Thank you for your participation. |
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Any indication when the Quadro 4000 will be supported in PrimeGrid?
This card based on Fermi GF100 with 256 cuda-cores. Seems to be a slower low power version of consumer card GTX460SE and should be running...
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Any GTX560 ?
I found 3 of the GTX 560 Ti GPUs in the results. They're all doing 960-965 seconds/WU or about 10% faster than the GTX 460 768MB OCed. Not sure if the 560 Ti examples are OCed or not. Guess I expected more due to the price difference and ballyhooing at the hardware sites...
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So the Quadro 4000 will run in PrimeGrid. I am restricted on what cards will run on a Mac and I'm trying to balance cost vs performance .... |
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Any GTX560 ?
I found 3 of the GTX 560 Ti GPUs in the results. They're all doing 960-965 seconds/WU or about 10% faster than the GTX 460 768MB OCed. Not sure if the 560 Ti examples are OCed or not. Guess I expected more due to the price difference and ballyhooing at the hardware sites...
I'm doing 2 @ a time on my Pair of 470's in 1700 Seconds or just a few over 1700 ...
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I bought 2 GTX570 for my Linux server and it takes 785s (@Stock) to perform 1 WU of 4,523 |
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What is the performance of a GeForce GTX260 and what is the street price?
Is the GTX295 more powerful than the 260?
The GTX is a Dual Core GPU Card if I remember correctly & at least Twice as fast as a 260 ...
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What is the performance of a GeForce GTX260 and what is the street price?
Is the GTX295 more powerful than the 260?
A GTX260 specs:
CUDA Cores 192
Graphics Clock (MHz) 576 MHz
Processor Clock (MHz) 1242 MHz
A GTX295 specs:
CUDA Cores 480 ( 240 per GPU )
Graphics Clock (MHz) 576 MHz
Processor Clock (MHz) 1242 MHz
I got them from here:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_gpus.html
Street price for the GTX 260 is around 120 US dollars and up while the GTX 295 is 280 US dollars and up, both found on Amazon.com |
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What is the performance of a GeForce GTX260 and what is the street price?
Is the GTX295 more powerful than the 260?
The GTX is a Dual Core GPU Card if I remember correctly & at least Twice as fast as a 260 ...
The GTX295 is dual-GPU (roughly 2x GTX285); the GTX 260 is a single GPU, which is significantly slower than a GTX285 (or half of a GTX295).
So, a 295 is somewhat more than twice as fast as, and should draw somewhat more than double the electric power as a GTX260.
It should be noted that there were several variations in the GTX260s with some significant variations in speed.
As for street prices, these cards are about 2 years old and almost certainly not manufactured anymore. I doubt you could find new ones for sale, but they'll be pretty cheap if you do. Or at least they should be pretty cheap. Bargin-bin cheap. A more useful comparison would be comparing either of those against the 4xx or 5xx series. A GTX450 will be at least as fast as half of a GTX 295 (and a lot faster than a GTX 260), will definitely consume a lot less power, is much smaller, and will run much cooler. It should cost about $100; maybe less.
In summary, you don't want to buy a GTX 2xx series card. If you're on a budget, get a low-end GTX 4xx series card. They're a whole lot faster, use less electricity, and run cooler. Even if you could find a 2xx card for free somewhere, the electricity costs would end up costing you more than the purchase of a 4xx would.
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Just to add a couple points to the already very good responses...
The two varieties of GTX 260 (192 shader vs. 216 shader) vary not only in speed. Some of the newer GTX 260 models are built on a 55nm rather than 65nm fabrication process, and thus, consume less power.
Similarly, there are two varieties of the GTX 295. While these do not vary in speed, they do in heat and power consumption with the older models built on 2 separate circuit boards being higher in both compared to the newer single board cards (though either types still requires two slots). Also, a (very minor) correction to the above posts: the GTX 295 is actually 2 x GTX275's, not the GTX 285 (though the 275 and 285 are very similar overall).
Michael is correct regarding the power issues, and I'd argue, has even understated things a bit. The GTS 450 (factory OC'ed models at least) outperform all of the GTX 2xx cards except the 295 model, and they do so at about 50% of the max power use. Indeed, the max power requirements for the 260, 275, and 285 are comparable with the GTX 465 and GTX 470, and are 20% - 30% higher than those for the GTX 460.
Regarding street prices, Mikey has given retail numbers. If you don't mind the risk of buying used, U.S. auction sites are running around $70-$85 for the GTX 260 models and around $100 for the GTX 275. GTX 295 cards push the $120 range plus on the used market...you can get the GTS 450 retail for $100-$140 and the GTX 460 for $160-$200 depending on model specs (i.e., factory OC, memory size, etc.).
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Thank you all for the response.
It looks like, on power and price, the GTX 460 is the favourite to go for rather than a 2xx series card.
I am hoping to purchase a pair or three GeForce 9500GT 1024MB low riser PCI (not PCIe) cards for my Prestonia dual Xeon PCI/PCI-X bus server to get output from this PC.
I have my eye on a bunch freshly in at Amazon. But I have the problem of getting them over to the UK, which, I hope, will be by a US friend who has done it for me a couple of years ago for my Dual P3 W2K server. |
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It looks like, on power and price, the GTX 460 is the favourite to go for rather than a 2xx series card.
For this Project yes, a 570 would even be better if you can afford it, the 460 is pretty much useless at any other Project though. It can be used at GPUGrid but it's painfully slow doing the Wu's ...
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It looks like, on power and price, the GTX 460 is the favourite to go for rather than a 2xx series card.
For this Project yes, a 570 would even be better if you can afford it, the 460 is pretty much useless at any other Project though. It can be used at GPUGrid but it's painfully slow doing the Wu's ...
The 460 does fairly well at Collatz (especially compared to other NVidia cards given the overall ATI advantage there).
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Hi Guys,
I've been running a mildly overclocked MSI TI 560 for about 2 weeks now. Its been netting over 400k + p/day. I thought it was a good deal for about $100 bucks cheaper than a 570 based card. I think I'll buy another.
See primegrid host info below:
http://www.primegrid.com/show_host_detail.php?hostid=139856
Here's the card info below bought from Newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127565
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Another thing I've noticed in comparing the 560 to the 570 based cards;
The 570 based cards have about 100 shaders more than the 560 (384 vs 480), so this works out to about 1 US dollar per shader with the average price difference of about 100 bucks between the two card types. Is the price difference worth it looking at the performance difference?
For me, I'm happy to keep the GPU price per card to 250 or less, so this seems like a fair performance compromise for 100 buck less.
I see the top single 570 based client produces about 644k rac per day. So you can see the effect of the extra shaders. Roughly 30% better than my slightly OC'd 560. Thats what your 100 bucks extra buys you.
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So the 570 can get about 33%+ more Credit Per Day than the 560's can for about a 30% Mark up. Sounds like either Card is very good, it just depends on what you want the Money or the Credit's ... ;)
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yup, and it looks like the vendors already figured this out for us. :}
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So the 570 can get about 33%+ more Credit Per Day than the 560's can for about a 30% Mark up. Sounds like either Card is very good, it just depends on what you want the Money or the Credit's ... ;)
But 240k credits is ALOT for only 100 bucks!
Mitchell said he his 560 is getting around 400k per day after oc'ing, while a 570 is getting around 640k per day, that is a HUGE jump for only 100 bucks! If the 570 is not oc'd I would definitely go that route instead.
Mitchell what would you be getting if you did not oc? 350k? 300 k? The bigger the difference the more that 100 bucks is worth spending! |
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The 570 I was referring to were EVGA SuperClocked Editions (Only $10 more than the Regular Edition) & then Bumped up to 850 Core on Air. So they are OC'ed about 10% same as Mitchells I assume ...
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The 570 I was referring to were EVGA SuperClocked Editions (Only $10 more than the Regular Edition) & then Bumped up to 850 Core on Air. So they are OC'ed about 10% same as Mitchells I assume ...
Arrgh, it figures...okay I do not overclock so the numbers would have to come down a little bit for me. I have bought 'factory' oc'd cards but I do not personally oc them on my own. |
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ok, here is my Gtx480 with the new long wu's and at stock speeds:
Gtx480 - 700/1848/1401 Mhz - 725 seconds average |
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Hi Guys,
I've been running a mildly overclocked MSI TI 560 for about 2 weeks now. Its been netting over 400k + p/day. I thought it was a good deal for about $100 bucks cheaper than a 570 based card. I think I'll buy another.
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If you buy a second one, will you SLI? I'm new to this, so I'm unsure of the pros and cons. I assume that if you SLI, then BOINC will think that you have one card that is roughly twice as fast as before. If you don't SLI, then I assume it looks like you have two cards of standard speed, and can run two GPU tasks in parallel. Anyone please correct me if I'm mistaken about this.
If the above is true, it seems like it would be slightly more efficient to SLI, since there would be one less CPU task running to manage the GPUs.
As a recent 570 purchaser, I have more than a passing interest in this. There's an empty PCIe2.0 slot staring at me :-)
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Hi Guys,
I've been running a mildly overclocked MSI TI 560 for about 2 weeks now. Its been netting over 400k + p/day. I thought it was a good deal for about $100 bucks cheaper than a 570 based card. I think I'll buy another.
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If you buy a second one, will you SLI? I'm new to this, so I'm unsure of the pros and cons. I assume that if you SLI, then BOINC will think that you have one card that is roughly twice as fast as before. If you don't SLI, then I assume it looks like you have two cards of standard speed, and can run two GPU tasks in parallel. Anyone please correct me if I'm mistaken about this.
If the above is true, it seems like it would be slightly more efficient to SLI, since there would be one less CPU task running to manage the GPUs.
As a recent 570 purchaser, I have more than a passing interest in this. There's an empty PCIe2.0 slot staring at me :-)
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Sounds good but it doesn't work that way in Boinc, sorry! Alot of Boinc projects do NOT like it when the cards are SLI'd but then every once in a while you will see someone that is using SLI and it works just fine. Going to multiple gpu's in the same machine brings its own set of problems, like 'dummy plugs' etc. For some it works first time, for others it can be an arduous process. Don't forget that your power supply will probably need to be bigger too, unless you have a huge one already. |
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Mikey, thanks for your info, even though it wasn't the sunniest news. One aspect I've got covered is the PSU (1000w) and cooling should be okay too. Well, I'll probably spring for another 570 sometime, egged-on by the "top computers" list I see with multiple GPUs. I'll try it both SLI and otherwise; whatever works, and post my experiences at some point. Cheers.
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Mikey, thanks for your info, even though it wasn't the sunniest news. One aspect I've got covered is the PSU (1000w) and cooling should be okay too. Well, I'll probably spring for another 570 sometime, egged-on by the "top computers" list I see with multiple GPUs. I'll try it both SLI and otherwise; whatever works, and post my experiences at some point. Cheers.
--Gary
I have always believed that the truth is better than a misconception. It is also a Boinc thing and could be fixed thru programming but is not likely to be anytime soon. There is a Boinc Mailing List you can subscribe too and make any suggestions thru it to the main Boinc Programmer, Dr. David Anderson of Seti. Just be aware that Boinc is 'his baby' and he does not take criticisms too well, constructive suggestions are a different matter though. He also has a 'master plan' for Boinc that may or may not fit in with what you are thinking, I have no idea. |
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