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Message 20045 - Posted: 21 Dec 2009 | 20:56:57 UTC

Planning for the 2010 Challenge Series has been in process for the past 6-8 weeks. We have an outline of the schedule and projects. However, it seems that there is interest in offering suggestions. Therefore, please feel free to post any ideas you have and we'll review them.

Thanks.

p.s. I moved some posts from other threads to this one.
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Message 20028 - Posted: 22 Dec 2009 | 14:41:53 UTC - in response to Message 20027.

Next year I hope there are more 3-5 day challenges and fewer 1-2 days.

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Message 20032 - Posted: 22 Dec 2009 | 15:05:45 UTC - in response to Message 20028.

Next year I hope there are more 3-5 day challenges and fewer 1-2 days.

Yea...btw, are you working on a PG Challenge Series 2010 schedule? ;-)

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Message 20046 - Posted: 22 Dec 2009 | 22:18:16 UTC

posted in other thread:

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Probably I mentioned it before (but that never stops me) the challenge series has proved so successful that I think it'd be neat for future series to award points to more competitors say the first 100 teams and the first 500 participants. It'd make it more fun for more people and hence generate more interest and hence more wus processed..

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Message 20047 - Posted: 22 Dec 2009 | 23:09:49 UTC
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In 2008, there was a 14-day and a 17-day challenge. The longest in 2009 was 9 days. In two years, there has never been a 20+ day challenge even though the category exist. I think it is time to either have one or do away with the category altogether. Also, it would be a nice to have a challenge in the next longest category since the last ones were among the first few in 2008.
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Message 20049 - Posted: 23 Dec 2009 | 0:22:11 UTC

I don't see the sense of challenges shorter than 3 days, at all. Longer challenges please. It takes some manual intervention to get ready, clear caches in a timely fashion, but not waste possible crunching opportunities, be on hand at the start, rearrange schedules/meetings only to have it end in a day or two.

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Message 20051 - Posted: 23 Dec 2009 | 1:02:49 UTC

Probably I mentioned it before (but that never stops me) the challenge series has proved so successful that I think it'd be neat for future series to award points to more competitors say the first 100 teams and the first 500 participants. It'd make it more fun for more people and hence generate more interest and hence more wus processed..


I agree that it that it would be a good idea to extend the challenge points to more teams. 100 might be a little much, but it would be nice to see at least the first 50 teams get credit. Also, I believe the top five teams get too much credit. A small bonus for the the top teams is fine but the top team getting 4 times the score of a team placing 6th is excessive.



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Message 20052 - Posted: 23 Dec 2009 | 1:31:21 UTC - in response to Message 20046.

Tim wrote:
Probably I mentioned it before (but that never stops me) the challenge series has proved so successful that I think it'd be neat for future series to award points to more competitors say the first 100 teams and the first 500 participants. It'd make it more fun for more people and hence generate more interest and hence more wus processed..



It has also been suggested in the past to have a couple of separate lists from the overall score to make things a bit more fun for participants with varying levels of resources (e.g., Rankings for single-machine participants, rankings for <=5 and/or <=10 machines, etc.).




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Message 20054 - Posted: 23 Dec 2009 | 2:48:49 UTC - in response to Message 20052.

There needs to be a separate scoring between the GPU/CUDA app(s) and the CPU apps. At least there should be a CPU only list to allow those without suitable GPUs to receive appropriate acknowledgement. I think that a fixed wu credit is makes the differences between a CPU and a GPU worse because there is a 2 to 1 ratio in favor of the GPU over a CPU on my system for the number of wus completed.




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Message 20056 - Posted: 23 Dec 2009 | 4:10:51 UTC - in response to Message 20054.

There needs to be a separate scoring between the GPU/CUDA app(s) and the CPU apps. At least there should be a CPU only list to allow those without suitable GPUs to receive appropriate acknowledgement. I think that a fixed wu credit is makes the differences between a CPU and a GPU worse because there is a 2 to 1 ratio in favor of the GPU over a CPU on my system for the number of wus completed.

And I completely disagree. PrimeGrid is a set of very quantitative projects. In each fixed-credit project in particular, one number tested relates directly to a portion of a cobblestone. If a GPU is more efficient at a particular project than a CPU, the GPU should get credit for that. In a project where credit is so easily and precisely defined, there's no reason to subsidize someone's CPUs just because they don't have a GPU. We don't subsidize 32-bit users, even though there is a 2 to 1 ratio in favor of the 64-bit user over a 32-bit user. There will still be projects where a GPU (and/or 64-bits) is worthless, such as LLR apps.

P.S. This is coming from someone who doesn't have a compute-capable GPU. (Yet.)

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Message 20058 - Posted: 23 Dec 2009 | 8:39:17 UTC

Here's my wish list for 2010. :)

Number of challenges: 8 or 9. Less challenges mean less chances to score in the total rankings, more challenges would just be too much. For those who can't get enough, there are the PRPNet mini challenges. ;)

Length: I prefer those 1-2 days sprints. It's easier to motivate multi-project-crunchers to come here for just two days. Two or three 7-10 days marathons are ok, so that we can have challenges at the projects with long WUs. In total, the Challenge Series should not exceed 35 days.

Awarding points to more participants: I support this idea.

There needs to be a separate scoring between the GPU/CUDA app(s) and the CPU apps. At least there should be a CPU only list to allow those without suitable GPUs to receive appropriate acknowledgement. I think that a fixed wu credit is makes the differences between a CPU and a GPU worse because there is a 2 to 1 ratio in favor of the GPU over a CPU on my system for the number of wus completed.

I agree with Ken_g6. The GPU does the same work as the CPU in less time and the question behind the challenge is "who does the most work", not "who has the most CPUs", "who does the most work per device" or "who gets the most points per kilowatt hour".
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Message 20059 - Posted: 23 Dec 2009 | 10:06:04 UTC

I'm in total agreement with pschoefer - number of challenges, mix of challenge lengths, more participants to receive points, no "special" scoring for CPU vs GPU and 32bit vs 64bit.
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Here's my wish list for 2010. :)

Number of challenges: 8 or 9. Less challenges mean less chances to score in the total rankings, more challenges would just be too much. For those who can't get enough, there are the PRPNet mini challenges. ;)

Length: I prefer those 1-2 days sprints. It's easier to motivate multi-project-crunchers to come here for just two days. Two or three 7-10 days marathons are ok, so that we can have challenges at the projects with long WUs. In total, the Challenge Series should not exceed 35 days.

Awarding points to more participants: I support this idea.


I agree with Ken_g6. The GPU does the same work as the CPU in less time and the question behind the challenge is "who does the most work", not "who has the most CPUs", "who does the most work per device" or "who gets the most points per kilowatt hour".



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Message 20062 - Posted: 23 Dec 2009 | 10:56:58 UTC

I totally agree with the pschoefer's post, but I would like to add something...
...what about a long Cullen LLR challenge? I haven't seen any Cullen challenge yet...and a SGS challenge would be nice, too...

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Message 20063 - Posted: 23 Dec 2009 | 12:50:11 UTC

Totally agree with pschoefer!
PG is not my major projekt, but i really like those 1-2day challenges here!!

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    Place 1 Day
    1 100.0
    2 90.0
    3 85
    4 80
    5 75
    6 70
    7 65
    8 60
    9 55
    10 50
    11 49
    12 48
    13 47
    14 46
    15 45
    16 44
    17 43
    18 42
    19 41
    20 40
    21 39
    22 38
    23 37
    24 36
    25 35
    26 34
    27 33
    28 32
    29 31
    30 30
    31 29
    32 29
    33 28
    34 28
    35 27
    36 27
    37 26
    38 26
    39 25
    40 25
    41 24
    42 24
    43 23
    44 23
    45 22
    46 22
    47 21
    48 21
    49 20
    50 20
    51 19
    52 19
    53 18
    54 18
    55 17
    56 17
    57 16
    58 16
    59 15
    60 15
    61 14
    62 14
    63 13
    64 13
    65 12
    66 12
    67 11
    68 11
    69 10
    70 10
    71 9
    72 9
    73 8
    74 8
    75 7
    76 7
    77 6
    78 6
    79 5
    80 5
    81 4
    82 4
    83 3
    84 3
    85 2
    86 2
    87 1
    88 1



Is this something to build the score on ??

This is a one day score.

Other suggestion are wellcome

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Message 20066 - Posted: 23 Dec 2009 | 15:01:19 UTC - in response to Message 20065.

16 44 17 43 18 44 19 43



After fixing the above, there would be points for 59 top places.

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Message 20067 - Posted: 23 Dec 2009 | 15:14:07 UTC - in response to Message 20066.

sorry did copy the wrong table :)

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Message 20068 - Posted: 23 Dec 2009 | 15:22:02 UTC - in response to Message 20067.

Is score 25 missing by accident or on purpose? (place 38/39)

Also place 73 appears twice.

Fixing those to follow a nice pattern makes points for 88 places.

You can reach 100 places by repeating each score 1-4 five times instead of twice.

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Message 20069 - Posted: 23 Dec 2009 | 17:03:56 UTC - in response to Message 20058.

The issue is about making valid comparisons as a GPU should win any challenge ignoring the dependencies between the CPU and GPU. Compared to New Moon challenge the winner did 1.5 more work per day in the Winter Solstice than the New Moon challenge (the New Moon winner did 1.2 times more work per day in the Winter Solstice than the New Moon challenge). I do not think that people's systems got 1.2+ times faster in the intermediate 6 months.

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Message 20070 - Posted: 23 Dec 2009 | 17:27:26 UTC - in response to Message 20069.
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If every host of the winner would have 4 CPUs and 1 GPU he would have made 1.2 times the credit in the winter solstices challenge than in the new moon challenge.
What should also be taken into account is the fact that some old C2D would be replaced by Nehalem (Ci5/Ci7) in the meantime what nearly 1.6 times the credits a host could achieve.
Not to mention the performance gained in the AP26-app in the last three months.

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Message 20072 - Posted: 23 Dec 2009 | 19:43:46 UTC

I'm all for Lennart's revised score system. The credit distribution is a lot more fair at the upper places. I especially like the version with only 59 places scoring, as I believe that 100 would be a few too many. In this Winter Solstice challenge, a single dual core laptop computer taking half an hour per WU could have achieved 4 tasks per hour, 288 apps during the total time. At approximately 35 credits per WU, this would have almost gotten that single dual core laptop into place 59 of the overall team scores. If a single mid-range laptop can make it into place 59 during the most fierce challenge yet and achieve a score, anything less than that is not a serious effort by a team to compete in a challenge.
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Message 20074 - Posted: 23 Dec 2009 | 20:10:00 UTC - in response to Message 20072.

I think that Kevin's mid-range computer statistic is a good way of looking at where the points should end. I'd like to apply it to individuals too. If you go with just one machine, that puts the end point around 400 users. If you want to require two, or a quad-core, to be considered a serious individual competitor, that puts it around 300 users.

Either would be fine with me, as I was in the top 200. :)
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Yes it is ironic: If i alone was a team i would have made place 28 in the team stats - yet i was only on place 50 as an individual...

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Message 20078 - Posted: 23 Dec 2009 | 21:45:11 UTC

1. We have too many weak teams. I propose to reward only the Top 25.

2. By contrast, participants should be more, for example: Top 50.

3. I love challenges, so I want the challenge each month. :)

4. Score system - participants:

1 200 2 160 3 145 4 135 5 130 6 125 7 120 8 115 9 110 10 105 11 100 12 96 13 92 14 88 15 84 16 80 17 76 18 72 19 68 20 64 21 60 22 57 23 54 24 51 25 48 26 45 27 42 28 39 29 36 30 33 31 30 32 28 33 26 34 24 35 22 36 20 37 18 38 16 39 14 40 12 41 10 42 9 43 8 44 7 45 6 46 5 47 4 48 3 49 2 50 1

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Message 20080 - Posted: 23 Dec 2009 | 23:20:55 UTC - in response to Message 20069.

The issue is about making valid comparisons as a GPU should win any challenge ignoring the dependencies between the CPU and GPU. Compared to New Moon challenge the winner did 1.5 more work per day in the Winter Solstice than the New Moon challenge (the New Moon winner did 1.2 times more work per day in the Winter Solstice than the New Moon challenge). I do not think that people's systems got 1.2+ times faster in the intermediate 6 months.


This is going to be a bit off topic, but you seem to not understand many things that have happened around here this year with AP26.

I'm going to point out something that you may not be aware of, since you haven't been here long. Between this year's AP26 challenges, I have made the CPU AP26 program about twice as fast on Linux and Windows 64/32bit on most processors. Also, the Cell/BE program was made much faster than its initial release.

You also don't seem to understand that of all the BOINC projects running GPU applications, PrimeGrid's is by FAR the "slowest" in granting credit for GPU resources used. This is because, as of now, prime finding is not something the GPU is very fast at processing.

In conclusion, yes, it is very possible that "people's systems got 1.2+ times faster in the intermediate 6 months"

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Message 20084 - Posted: 24 Dec 2009 | 2:13:23 UTC


1. We have too many weak teams. I propose to reward only the Top 25.

2. By contrast, participants should be more, for example: Top 50.

3. I love challenges, so I want the challenge each month. :)


I am the administrator of Solar Extreme. In the last challenge my team came in position 31. If my team can not compete because only the top 25 teams are rewarded, then my team would not be competing in the challenges. The only time all our computers run 24 hours is during a challenge. This would be to Prime Grid's loss.

Also consider:
1) Teams 26-30 together performed almost twice the work as the team in position 17.
2) If "Weak Teams" are allowed to score they will attempt to get higher scores and may not remain weak.
3) If you are a member of a top team, then the lower teams are no threat to your team. Why discourage them from competing among themselves? Especially if they love a Challenge too!

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Message 20086 - Posted: 24 Dec 2009 | 4:45:10 UTC - in response to Message 20084.


I am the administrator of Solar Extreme. In the last challenge my team came in position 31. If my team can not compete because only the top 25 teams are rewarded, then my team would not be competing in the challenges. The only time all our computers run 24 hours is during a challenge. This would be to Prime Grid's loss.

Also consider:
1) Teams 26-30 together performed almost twice the work as the team in position 17.
2) If "Weak Teams" are allowed to score they will attempt to get higher scores and may not remain weak.
3) If you are a member of a top team, then the lower teams are no threat to your team. Why discourage them from competing among themselves? Especially if they love a Challenge too!



I agree 100%. Some of us feel more comfortable in a smaller team, where our one or two computers can actually remain somewhat competitive with our team's top dogs. Even if they are unreachable at least they're in sight. Rather than be some 150th best on a super team that doesn't even know who we are.

Maybe I have the large teams wrong, and my 1000-5000 credits/day (depending on which computers are up and running) would be just as appreciated, so I apologize if that offends anyone, but I think the small teams are vital to the effort.

Now lets keep those small team points flowing, and lets see if Team Picard can end the 2010 Challenge Series as the highest ranked Star Trek Themed Team. That's right "The Final Front Ear" We're coming for you!!! :-Þ (PS That smiley is a whole lot easier to do in Windows than Linux)

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Message 20089 - Posted: 24 Dec 2009 | 14:25:48 UTC - in response to Message 20084.

Danial, I respect your opinion, but I have a different opinion. The current score system is a bit curious. Look at last challenge.

For example, I have individually 200k. I'm too weak, I do not have any points.
So, I create own team and now... I'm a great fighter, I have 12 points (#23)!
Sorry, for me this is stupid.

I want more points for the participants, even for Top100. But...

Another proposal...
1. Points only for participants (Top100).
2. Points for the team = total number of points team members. It is much easier.

What do you think?

- - - - - - -
wolfemancs - I agree, a small teams are doing a great job!
I am the founder and member of a small team.
But on the podium are only 3 seats. :)
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Message 20090 - Posted: 24 Dec 2009 | 15:18:43 UTC

Prior to opening the Challenge Series up for discussion, we had the following on paper:

- 9 Challenges (same as this year)
- a mixture of long and short Challenges
- revamp scoring

It seems as though all 3 of these have been commented on in the thread. :)

We chose 9 Challenges because it gave some "breathing" room before and after the longer Challenges. If all the Challenges were 1-2 days, then we'd consider once a month.

As for the mixture of long and short Challenges, this was simply chosen to include users from both camps (those only interested in 1-2 days and those only interested in 3+ days). Also, we wanted to remain true to PrimeGrid's primary goal and that is to find primes. Unfortunately, the majority of PrimeGrid's LLR projects have reached higher n's and thus a much longer WU processing time. (BTW, it is PrimeGrid's success that has led to this so overall it's a good thing.)

The sieve projects (and AP26) are best suited for the Challenges because of their shorter WU times and fixed credit. Because of this, the BOINC sieves are doing quite well. While not at optimal depths yet, they are definitely in a good position. They are necessary to have, but they do not directly find primes. :(

The topic of doing a combined Challenge (LLR+sieve) was discussed. This would combine a long WU project with a short WU project. For example, a two week PSP LLR with a 1-3 day PSP Sieve. The Challenges could run consecutively or the shorter one within the longer one. We are still uncertain of the logistics or if it's even feasible for the server considering our current Challenge setup. Feedback on this idea is welcomed.

As for scoring, we are expanding at least to the top 50. I've seen suggestions up to the top 400 here. More feedback is welcomed.

In the past, we have looked at the possibility of providing different rankings based on individual resources. Basically, there's a million different criteria to choose from and still not everyone will be satisfied. The ranking of results based on the number of hosts a user has is problematic. BOINC has the option to not reveal host information; therefore, we will not interfer with that.

Also, a single host ranking these days could pair a PIII against an i7. Both are single hosts but we all know what would come out ahead. Is it really fair to group these two together??? Same can be said about a user with 10 P4's running against a user with 10 Q6600's.

We'll continue to read the comments. Thanks for all the suggestions so far.
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Message 20091 - Posted: 24 Dec 2009 | 15:59:55 UTC

John, as far as the challenges,

The system of 9 challenges sounds great, allowing large and small challenges. I really am against combined challenges, though. I have no single strong reason for this, but with a single application per challenge, it is fun, simple, and clean. I am afraid that combining llrs and sieves in a single challenge would simply complicate things.
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Message 20092 - Posted: 24 Dec 2009 | 16:20:07 UTC

Robert,

Very good point, but consider my team Solar Extreme. I will probably never be able to compete with you as an individual. I have limited resources, mainly power. On an individual basis I did not even rank in the top 100, but if I get enough interest from people with alternative power sources to join my team, then I may be able to compete at a level which I am happy with. Even though you consider yourself weak, others may not. Ideally, no individual would run a challenge as a team. There will always be some people out there with a massive amount of computers. Maybe even one person with enough computers to beat Seti USA! Mr. Hankey would have placed 6th on the team score. The only way you could keep them from completely messing up the team scores is to only award team challenge points to teams with at least two members. I believe that enough of the top individuals, like you, have the integrity not to form a team just to score on the team challenge. It does not appear to be a problem and I strongly support a rewards system that supports weak teams and individuals, for one of them may find the largest prime ever.

Whether you score by total credit or by points, the problem will always be there and it is a lot easier to add up the points than the total credits. The point method also favors teams who perform better on some projects. For example, 32-bit computers do not do as well on challenges that have 64-bit apps.

I also like varied challenge lengths, with longer breaks after longer challenges, and prefer single application challenges with point rewards for at least the top 50 teams.

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Message 20093 - Posted: 24 Dec 2009 | 16:24:12 UTC

Having a mix of long and short Challenges and having nine Challenges both sound great. I'd rather not have any combined LLR and Sieve Challenges, though. I like working on just one project during a Challenge, and don't mind having some Sieve Challenges instead of LLRs. Having a Sieve and LLr Challenge, or one immediatly after the other would probably create more confusion, and wouldn't increase the total amount of work done.


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Message 20094 - Posted: 24 Dec 2009 | 18:07:52 UTC - in response to Message 20089.

Danial, I respect your opinion, but I have a different opinion. The current score system is a bit curious. Look at last challenge.

For example, I have individually 200k. I'm too weak, I do not have any points.
So, I create own team and now... I'm a great fighter, I have 12 points (#23)!
Sorry, for me this is stupid.

I agree, this is stupid. I suppose the way to cancel this completely would be to match up the lower bounds of individuals and teams. Either give points to all individuals who produced at least as much as the Nth largest team, or only give points to teams that produced at least as much as the Nth largest individual. See below for why I prefer the former.

As for how to distribute points among a variable number of individuals or teams...surely someone on this math-related site can come up with an equitable distribution function?

I want more points for the participants, even for Top100. But...

Another proposal...
1. Points only for participants (Top100).
2. Points for the team = total number of points team members. It is much easier.

What do you think?

That proposal makes small members of teams pointless, which seems at least as bad as the "team of one" problem.

wolfemancs - I agree, a small teams are doing a great job!
I am the founder and member of a small team.
But on the podium are only 3 seats. :)

I look at it from a marketing perspective. What's the best way to get somebody to invest (time or money) in an addictive product? Whether drinks, food, or stats, give them a taste and they'll come back for more. :)

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Either give points to all individuals who produced at least as much as the Nth largest team, or only give points to teams that produced at least as much as the Nth largest individual.


As of yet it hasn't been a major problem. Let's just keep it simple. Make it too complicated and you will discourage competition as well.
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Message 20098 - Posted: 24 Dec 2009 | 22:08:11 UTC - in response to Message 20095.

The situation is becoming clearer. I vote for the Top50 or Top60 for the participants.

But we still have a problem with the scoring team.
What is the team? One man? No, real team must have a few active members.

My proposal - a team must have 3 participants in the Top300.

In The Dog Days of Summer Challenge was only 321 participants.
Let's give a chance for small teams, but the real teams.

PS: Danial, Tanya, Kevin - YOU can! ;)
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Message 20100 - Posted: 25 Dec 2009 | 0:11:45 UTC

I hope to see more people give their opinion on this forum.

I do not think we should be restricting who can participate!

Using the criteria:

My proposal - a team must have 3 participants in the Top300.


A team with 50 members, in which less than three of its members were in the Top300, would not be allowed to compete. There are almost 7000 Prime Grid Members with a positive recent average credit.
Solar Extreme would not qualify as a team by the Top300 Idea and we placed at position 31 in the last challenge.

Let's encourage all to participate and have fun finding primes.
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Am I reading this thread right? Maybe it's a lack of sleep, but it seems that some people/body actually don't want me to participate IF I'm not on a team that has enough members in the top 100 or 300? Or if I don't rank high enough in the individual stats? Surely I misread. What if I happen to get a good percentage of the 450+ computers at work aboard partway through the year--I'm not welcome until I reach a certain rank?

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Message 20105 - Posted: 25 Dec 2009 | 5:28:00 UTC - in response to Message 20104.

My opinion, just leave the individual and team qualifications alone. If an individual or member of a team turns in valid credit during a challenge it should be recorded much as it has been. I just don't see why the big deal if a single person could score more points as a one man team than in individual standings, then more power to him/her. The only exception would be when multiple users combine computing power under a single identity, which i believe is already addressed.

Even though it probably won't effect me (except on a Team level), I do believe the scoring system should be revamped and extended. Maybe up to the 150-200 top individuals and 50-60 top teams.
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Message 20106 - Posted: 25 Dec 2009 | 6:29:15 UTC

I don't think there should be a definition of "team" by the ranks the members reach. In the Winter Solstice Challenge I would be barely be a member of my team and I scored #300 with a quad running 24/7. This is more than what most people run (there were more than 1800 people scoring at least one WU, even if some of them did only catch a WU by running all subprojects).

Extending the rankings to a larger number of teams and participants will help motivating more people. Doing a mixture of long and short challenges, sieves and LLRs will give everybody the chance to do what their systems are best suited for.

I'd love to see some long challenges on the large LLRs, maybe even one in the highest category. But this is due to my individual setup, I can understand people getting tired of crunching 40h WUs for three weeks.
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Message 20108 - Posted: 25 Dec 2009 | 12:15:38 UTC

I would like to have longer Sieve Challenge(s), not just 24 or 48 hrs!
The 3 day-challenge with AP26 was a good one... but I'd like to go for APs or Sieves for a whole week for example. ;-)
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Message 20109 - Posted: 25 Dec 2009 | 12:24:46 UTC - in response to Message 20108.

Nobody does not prevent ANYONE taking part in the challenge!

1 active participant - this is not the team. This is a joke.
2 active participant - this is not the team. This is a duo.
3 active participant - this is the TEAM!
That's all.
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Message 20111 - Posted: 25 Dec 2009 | 14:41:22 UTC

let me say something to personel- and team-stats:

My proposal - a team must have 3 participants in the Top300.

I would not combine them as mentioned:

#1 personel-stats for individuals (except group-/collecting-accounts)

#2 if the personals 350 through 3500 want to build a team, this team should get the chance to win team-stats

#3 points: for every challenge, a fix number (let me say first 100 individuals and first 50 teams) and depending on the length of the working units / depending on the length of the challenge a variable number of points

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Message 20112 - Posted: 25 Dec 2009 | 15:14:27 UTC

How do we define a group or collecting account?
I think this can't be done and is unfair in the first place.
My team is not big yet we were on 12th place until start of the last challenge where only 4 members participated full time and one helped out halfway through the challenge. The result was the 20th place - yet i had no chance getting one single point fort the individual stats even though i was responsible for half of my teams challenge points (133578 of 267145) what would have got me 4.5 points if i where team roadrunner. I think if we have in the order of 9 times the individuals in a challenge than teams this should reflect in the points deducted for individuals so that more individuals could gain points for themselves and are encouraged to participate.

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Message 20145 - Posted: 27 Dec 2009 | 13:51:06 UTC - in response to Message 20112.

I think a larger number of individuals, maybe the top 200 or at the very least 100, should get points.

I had between 8 and 12 cores in the last challenges and barely make the top 100 (far from individual points).

Not getting individual points is not stopping me from participating, since i'm in there mostly for the team, but it still would be nice to get some to show up as a constant participant in all challenges at the end of the year.

Additionally giving more individuals points would let them compete against some onetime wonders.

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Message 20146 - Posted: 27 Dec 2009 | 14:46:48 UTC

I dont like the idea that of having 100 or 200 folks getting credit on a challenge. I'd like to see points awarded to the top 10%. Some lf last years challenges didnt garner more than 300 people. so handing points out to folks that just show up is silly. Some combination of percentage of users and length of challenge would be appropriate

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I dont like the idea that of having 100 or 200 folks getting credit on a challenge. I'd like to see points awarded to the top 10%. Some lf last years challenges didnt garner more than 300 people. so handing points out to folks that just show up is silly. Some combination of percentage of users and length of challenge would be appropriate


Yes, but in the Winter Solstice challenge, there were more than 1800 participants, I've been the 757. with about 2200 cobblestones, using one core of C2D 2.2GHz, another core on big Lattice "Garli" task...

I think that now the PG challenge series are quite popular, and I think there were lots of participants on them this year...

I don't know, if it's good or bad giving some score to lots of people, because I can't hit the top 100/200/300 anyway :(...so no change for me :)

Edit : I think that the team with one active member and lots of inactive members is a team, too...they're just busy of crunching sth else, and the ONE is representing the team ;-)
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Message 20149 - Posted: 27 Dec 2009 | 16:11:00 UTC

I have only been concerned about team points because I have been unable to get any points as an individual. The top 10% of individuals competing in the last challenge would have been around 200 people. I think it would be great if points were given for the top 300 participants or more. Like Marty, I would like to see how I am doing in the long run. There are lots of individuals that may be in the top 100 today and gone tomorrow. Let's see which individuals are really the backbone of Prime Grid. Besides, what does it hurt if people like Ondra actually get points for their work? A participant that places 54 will still place 54 and Ondra will get to compete with other individuals that are at his level.
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Message 20152 - Posted: 27 Dec 2009 | 18:27:23 UTC - in response to Message 20149.

i'd suggest another thing:

getting rid of those collective accounts by limiting a user to 2 or 3 originating ip's.

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Message 20153 - Posted: 27 Dec 2009 | 19:07:21 UTC

In the interest of encouraging people to take part I suggest that all teams and all users taking part, even if they complete only one wu, get points.

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Message 20156 - Posted: 27 Dec 2009 | 20:53:06 UTC - in response to Message 20152.

i'd suggest another thing:

getting rid of those collective accounts by limiting a user to 2 or 3 originating ip's.


Yeah. I get a new ip every 24 hours and have two of my own clients at work, after 2 days i am a collecting account?

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Message 20157 - Posted: 27 Dec 2009 | 21:23:51 UTC - in response to Message 20156.

i'd suggest another thing:

getting rid of those collective accounts by limiting a user to 2 or 3 originating ip's.


Yeah. I get a new ip every 24 hours and have two of my own clients at work, after 2 days i am a collecting account?


yup - for me that counts as 2 active ones at a time..

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Message 20160 - Posted: 28 Dec 2009 | 1:15:35 UTC - in response to Message 20152.

getting rid of those collective accounts by limiting a user to 2 or 3 originating ip's.


That's an artificial limitation that I don't agree with. I have more than one IP at home, plus personal colo, all of which are one user, not even machines at my workplace. Once you get dynamic IPs in the mix, it's be impossible to police without being unfair IMHO.
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Message 20165 - Posted: 28 Dec 2009 | 5:58:12 UTC

Not to mention those persons in the outback with no flat-rate but dial-up connection, by that definition they are a collecting account even if they only have one host. That regulation is an utter nonsense.

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Message 20169 - Posted: 28 Dec 2009 | 9:41:39 UTC

How about starting times be on a Saturday instead of Friday or Thursday. More people tend to have the weekend off to change their machines over to the challenge project.

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Message 20172 - Posted: 28 Dec 2009 | 13:40:52 UTC

I agree with the time as well. Perhaps starting on a weekend and stopping during the week. I can estimate how much work I need to keep the morning the challenge ends so that I don't have a ton of WU's hanging around.

back to the awarded points. I dont like the idea of awarding someone for showing up. Thats as bad as watching my kids play soccer(football) they insist no score is kept. yet we all know who really won. Now handing out a reward for finishing so far back in the pack that I have to scroll through 3 pages of names seems unfair to a guy that pumps out 500-1000X the work as the guy at rank 350 yet #350 will get a larger fraction of the overall winnings just for showing up? not that I like the large corporate accounts taking all the glory but they bring the numbers with them.

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Message 20176 - Posted: 28 Dec 2009 | 15:01:22 UTC - in response to Message 20172.

Since the points are non-linear it will always be hard for a person who finished always #350 to finish better than on with 500-1000x the output unless, and here comes the interesting point, this large contributor shows up only once and the #350 guys shows up for all challenges. And even than he probably will never be able to catch the big guy.

Another option would be to define a lower limit of score points (e.g. equal to e.g. 10/100 results returned), adjusted for each challenge depending on the type, runtime and pay of the WUs. All participants above this limit receive challenge point on an non-linear scale. But this might be to complicated to implement since the number of point receivers is only clear at the end of each challenge.

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Message 20177 - Posted: 28 Dec 2009 | 15:50:50 UTC - in response to Message 20165.
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Not to mention those persons in the outback with no flat-rate but dial-up connection, by that definition they are a collecting account even if they only have one host. That regulation is an utter nonsense.


you got me completely wrong - i was not talking about roaming IP's but about concurrently active ones.

i happen to know a (non public) project which is doing a pretty similar thing and rytis might know what i mean..

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Message 20180 - Posted: 28 Dec 2009 | 16:17:55 UTC - in response to Message 20177.
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concurrently active ones
What does this mean?

Some WU are counted a few days (weak host). During this time I get a few IP for this host.

So, I have dynamic IP in my firm, I have second dynamic IP in my second firm, I have another dynamic IP in my home, I have another dynamic IP in my flat, I have another dynamic IP in my weekend house, I have another dynamic IP on my mobile, I have another dynamic IP on my second mobile...

So far it does not bother anyone. Now you want to block me the counting of PG. It's a waste! I do not understand this. In which case I go away. If you do not want my computers, then other projects will benefit. Whatever you want!
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Message 20181 - Posted: 28 Dec 2009 | 17:46:12 UTC - in response to Message 20152.
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i'd suggest another thing:

getting rid of those collective accounts by limiting a user to 2 or 3 originating ip's.


Which collective accounts? SG-Booster already doesn't get challenge points, since it is a collective account. Is there another collective account that got points that you know of?
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Message 20184 - Posted: 28 Dec 2009 | 18:32:20 UTC - in response to Message 20181.

i'd suggest another thing:

getting rid of those collective accounts by limiting a user to 2 or 3 originating ip's.


Which collective accounts? SG-Booster already doesn't get challenge points, since it is a collective account. Is there another collective account that got points that you know of?


i simply cannot tell - only project staff got that data..

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Message 20186 - Posted: 28 Dec 2009 | 19:11:01 UTC

like this one?

i don't know if it's one, but the name looks suspicious
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Message 20190 - Posted: 29 Dec 2009 | 0:30:55 UTC - in response to Message 20181.

i'd suggest another thing:

getting rid of those collective accounts by limiting a user to 2 or 3 originating ip's.

OK, supposing I wanted to hide a collective account (which I don't), I could just set up a relay or proxy on one machine, and have all the other machines connect through it.

This rule could penalize legitimate users while tricky users get away with their collective accounts. It's pointless.

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Message 20197 - Posted: 29 Dec 2009 | 11:23:18 UTC

Hello,

For 2010:

- Separate ranking for CPU & GPU: 2 differents things = 2 different rankings.
- Plan 2-3 challenges during the week instead of weekends. I suppose I am not the only one to be off during thoses days. Thus I cannot participate :(

Thanks to the people running the project, you are doing a great job.

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Message 20198 - Posted: 29 Dec 2009 | 11:34:57 UTC

CPU and GPU are not two different things, both are just silicons at number crunching.
How do you classify the Cell-processors? A blade-frame filled with cell-blades will win every AP26-challenge i gather...

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Message 20210 - Posted: 29 Dec 2009 | 19:31:00 UTC

While my team has several members who participate in many projects across BOINC, I tend to be the only one doing any significant crunching here at PrimeGrid. Individually and as a team, I/We finished 10th in 2008 and in the top 20 this year (usually with only 1 or 2 participating in any given challenge). I am completely opposed to the "must have 3 members" requirement for team competition...if PrimeGrid implements such a rule for the challenges, then I guess it will be time for people like me to move on...sigh.


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I'm really looking forward the 2010 Challenge list ;)

Happy crunching in 2010 :-)
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Message 20242 - Posted: 2 Jan 2010 | 16:46:37 UTC

I´d like different challenges: short 1-2 day sprints, medium duration challenges, and a hard "Marathon" challenge for 2-4 Weeks, too.
And I´d suggest a third category (beside top-users and top-teams) for giving points: top-hosts.
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Message 20254 - Posted: 3 Jan 2010 | 15:20:07 UTC

More and longer Challenge please. It gives pleasure to compete against others in direct comparison. Even if I never am under the top to users.

When is there an appointment calendar?

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Message 20295 - Posted: 6 Jan 2010 | 20:46:14 UTC

Sorry for the delay on the 2010 Challenge Series schedule. We're still waiting to finalize a few things. However, I can give you the tentative dates and durations:

14-17 February 3 days
15 March 24 hours
22-30 April 8 days
16-21 June 5 days
25 July 24 hours
20-22 August 2 days
1-14 October 13 Days
19 November 24 hours
18-21 December 3 days

Based on these dates and what y'all know about previous Challenges, see if you can guess the Challenge names. :)
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Discovered the World's First base 116 Generalized Cullen prime!!!Discovered 13 mega primesEliminated 7 conjecture "k"sDiscovered 1 Sophie Germain pairDiscovered 1 Fermat divisor2012 Tour de Primes highest prime count2012 Tour de Primes most Mountain Stage primes2015 Tour de Primes highest prime count2016 Tour de Primes highest prime countFound 23 primes in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 mega prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 2 primes in the 2018 Tour de Primes Mountain Stage2019 Tour de Primes highest prime countFound 22 primes in the 2019 Tour de Primes321 LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (100,829,118)Cullen LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (103,870,990)ESP LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (103,603,483)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (108,461,080)PPS LLR Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (342,654,308)PSP LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (108,003,110)SoB LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (135,747,083)SR5 LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (193,804,000)SGS LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (160,628,233)TPS LLR (retired) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (235,439)TRP LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (121,443,822)Woodall LLR Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (101,447,725)321 Sieve Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (203,510,966)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (83,794,448)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (285,139,652)PPS Sieve Double Ruby: Earned 2,000,000,000 credits (2,107,759,082)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (203,523,358)TRP Sieve (suspended) Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (201,489,157)AP 26/27 Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (119,562,131)GFN Double Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000,000 credits (1,195,909,779)PSA Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (259,058,048)
Message 20296 - Posted: 6 Jan 2010 | 21:45:56 UTC - in response to Message 20295.

Sorry for the delay on the 2010 Challenge Series schedule. We're still waiting to finalize a few things. However, I can give you the tentative dates and durations:

14-17 February 3 days
15 March 24 hours
22-30 April 8 days
16-21 June 5 days
25 July 24 hours
20-22 August 2 days
1-14 October 13 Days
19 November 24 hours
18-21 December 3 days

Based on these dates and what y'all know about previous Challenges, see if you can guess the Challenge names. :)




Okay...here are my guesses :P


14-17 February 3 days -- "Valentine's Day Massacre Challenge"
15 March 24 hours -- The "Ides of the Primes Challenge"
22-30 April 8 days -- The "Spring-to-Life Challenge"
16-21 June 5 days -- "PrimeGrid Birthday Surprise Challenge"
25 July 24 hours -- "Oh My God It's Hot Challenge"
20-22 August 2 days -- "Fleas on the Dog Days of Summer Challenge"
1-14 October 13 Days -- The "Luckiest 13 Days Challenge"
19 November 24 hours -- The "Thank God You're Not A Turkey Challenge"
18-21 December 3 days -- The "Winter Solstice Challenge" or "Here We Go Again"




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Message 20299 - Posted: 6 Jan 2010 | 22:24:50 UTC

15 March must be The Battle of Guilford Courthouse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Guilford_Courthouse

25 July must be The Battle of Lundy's Lane http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lundy%27s_Lane

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Message 20300 - Posted: 6 Jan 2010 | 23:03:40 UTC

Are these BOINC only challenges or do they also include PRPNet?

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Message 20301 - Posted: 6 Jan 2010 | 23:19:33 UTC - in response to Message 20299.

15 March must be The Battle of Guilford Courthouse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Guilford_Courthouse

25 July must be The Battle of Lundy's Lane http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lundy%27s_Lane

:)


18. June must be the battle of Waterloo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Waterloo

11. September must be the battle of Teutoburg Forrest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Teutoburg_Forest

p.s.: No, I really do not think we should honor local official or unofficial holidays...
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Message 20306 - Posted: 7 Jan 2010 | 8:13:08 UTC - in response to Message 20301.



18. June must be the battle of Waterloo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Waterloo

11. September must be the battle of Teutoburg Forrest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Teutoburg_Forest

p.s.: No, I really do not think we should honor local official or unofficial holidays...


I didn't know the Americans were in either of those...

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Message 20308 - Posted: 7 Jan 2010 | 16:18:00 UTC - in response to Message 20300.

Are these BOINC only challenges or do they also include PRPNet?


I do not think, PRPNet will be a good idea for a challenge ...
but Mini-Races to the 13 I will expect beside official challenges!


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Message 20338 - Posted: 11 Jan 2010 | 17:57:27 UTC

I wonder why there are still no challenges of the Sophie Germain Search. It already runs a while, but no challenge in 2009 had it as main point.
So I would like to see one this year.
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I wonder why there are still no challenges of the Sophie Germain Search. It already runs a while, but no challenge in 2009 had it as main point.
So I would like to see one this year.


Yes, and one very long sieve challenge would be nice, too...like AP26 or 321 sieve - for 5-10 days. But it was said there before...
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Message 20343 - Posted: 11 Jan 2010 | 19:11:36 UTC

With PRPNet 3.x (which is in beta), it will be able to handle a lot more throughput (due to multi-threading and have an actual database). It will also have better stats, although not the daily stats that some users crave.

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Thank you for posting the schedule. I am looking forward to this years Prime Grid Challenge Series as are many members of Team SETI.USA.

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So, from the posted schedule, it looks like there are going to be 2 challenges on the PRPNet side...PPSE Sieve and PPSE LLR...am I correct in this assumption?
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Message 20437 - Posted: 19 Jan 2010 | 14:16:01 UTC - in response to Message 20436.

So, from the posted schedule, it looks like there are going to be 2 challenges on the PRPNet side...PPSE Sieve and PPSE LLR...am I correct in this assumption?

PPSE Sieve has yet to be implemented in BOINC. The plans are to have it up and running by Dec. PPSE LLR is already running in BOINC and is included in the PPS LLR project. During the PPSE LLR Challenge, WU's will be restricted to just PPSE work.
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Message 20438 - Posted: 19 Jan 2010 | 14:30:50 UTC - in response to Message 20437.

So, from the posted schedule, it looks like there are going to be 2 challenges on the PRPNet side...PPSE Sieve and PPSE LLR...am I correct in this assumption?

PPSE Sieve has yet to be implemented in BOINC. The plans are to have it up and running by Dec. PPSE LLR is already running in BOINC and is included in the PPS LLR project. During the PPSE LLR Challenge, WU's will be restricted to just PPSE work.


Thanks for the reply...

So, basically, me, as a dumb cruncher and certified credit ho, doesn't have to worry about setting up the farm on the PRPNet side...

And thanks for having the long running LLR challenges during the cooler months for us in the northern hemisphere...
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Message 20622 - Posted: 28 Jan 2010 | 23:16:18 UTC

Well, I finally spotted the posted list.

"Earth Day" seems like an odd name for an eight-day project using lots of electricity, largely from dirty sources like coal, just to possibly find a factor of a Fermat number. Not that I won't participate. :)

And WTH does "Calendula" (Marigolds?) have to do with anything?
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Message 20625 - Posted: 29 Jan 2010 | 2:14:31 UTC

"Earth Day" seems like an odd name for an eight-day project using lots of electricity, largely from dirty sources like coal, just to possibly find a factor of a Fermat number. Not that I won't participate. :)

Yes, the contradiction was duly noted before the Challenge series was posted. I'm actually surprised that you're the first to post about it. However, since it's an 8 day Challenge (which begins on Earth Day), consider that maybe on the 8th day, the Earth "woke up". :)

And WTH does "Calendula" (Marigolds?) have to do with anything?

The original posted start date for this Challenge was 1 Oct 2010. However, due to a conflict, it was moved up one week. Citing from the same Wiki article, "The name Calendula stems from the Latin kalendae, meaning first day of the month..." At least 1 Oct is still within the Challenge timeframe. Additionally, Calendula is the birth flower for October. :)
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Message 20762 - Posted: 2 Feb 2010 | 13:16:35 UTC - in response to Message 20625.

An SoB challenge would be entertaining...it would probably have to last a whole month though!
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Don't forget to add another few months until all results are validated...

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Message 20788 - Posted: 2 Feb 2010 | 20:13:15 UTC - in response to Message 20777.

Don't forget to add another few months until all results are validated...


Sure!

And that's a good reason to have a SoB challenge at the start of the year, so there's a good chance of it getting finalised before the end of the year, and hence not holding up finalisation of the whole years standings.
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Message 20789 - Posted: 2 Feb 2010 | 20:34:57 UTC - in response to Message 20762.

An SoB challenge would be entertaining...it would probably have to last a whole month though!

No Challenge this year for SoB. However, the month of May is a possibility for a "mini" Challenge like we have for GCW13. Just an informal gathering of resources to help push the project forward.

Last year's 13 Days of December produced a record Generalized Woodall - 563528*13^563528-1 found by Lennart Vogel.
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Message 20797 - Posted: 3 Feb 2010 | 16:38:18 UTC

The 3 day Proth Challenge Starts in 11 days. Currenty the list of points to be awarded for challenges contains only points for 1 day challenges. When can we expect to see the information on 3 day challenges?
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Message 20811 - Posted: 4 Feb 2010 | 2:24:21 UTC - in response to Message 20797.

The 3 day Proth Challenge Starts in 11 days. Currenty the list of points to be awarded for challenges contains only points for 1 day challenges. When can we expect to see the information on 3 day challenges?

Updated.
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Message 20984 - Posted: 14 Feb 2010 | 3:04:20 UTC

This is really going to be fun..

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