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Message 161045 - Posted: 10 Mar 2023 | 11:48:41 UTC

I decide to write small post here: before I post it same on main forum.
We have TdP. A lot of people start TSC instances burning own money. Their money , they decide what will do with them.
What bothers me why people judge so easy.

Many of you here know that I mine some ETH and have "few" GPU cards. Generally when I write that fact people immediately start to judge: it is not "green" it is useless, you are fool...
On same time when someone fire 1000 TSC instance and pay for it with own money then it is perfectly ok. Now it is green, now it ok. Dont forget, when you fire instance on TSC that instance also use electricity , not always last hardware, so it use more power and it is less efficient. Even you use latest hardware, you still use electricity , you still pay someone, and that someone will use your money to buy more hardware, to use more electricity. So circle is complete.
For ETH even today I got some money, for prime I got nothing, small glory on some T5K site that very small number of people know it is exist.

Scott I know you use many TSC instances, but this is nothing against you , believe me on my word.
I just ask myself, why people react in this way.

Here I can delete post if I see there is flame going up.

Again, this post is not against any of ATP member or any person at all, only my thinking.

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Message 161049 - Posted: 10 Mar 2023 | 13:21:40 UTC - in response to Message 161045.

So, first, I would advise not to post on the main board. It will likely start an unpleasant exchange and get moderated, so no reason to waste time.

My own view is it is your money, spend it how you want...period!

As to an explanation of why some things are "green" and others are not, that is a really complex discussion about social relationships, beliefs, norms, and informal sanctioning (throw in some collective behavior theory as well if you like).

But I think you can boil down the TSC vs. crypto mining difference to one fundamental thing:

1) TSC is used to support "scientific" discovery (one can debate the scientific merit of a given project, but that is the basic premise of BOINC overall), and thus, the energy usage is "worth it" in some way as it helps move knowledge/society/well-being/etc. forward.

2) Crypto is used to support personal enrichment, and thus, is not "green" because it is just energy usage for oneself.

I say the above without moral judgement, but as a mere explanation for why many will see those uses differently. Again, it is your own money, use it as you wish.


p.s. - I am not sure it is accurate that I in general use many TSC instances most of the time. For the SGS challenge, I used 430, which was by far the most I have ever used. In many challenges (e.g., the upcoming next two long work unit ones), I use no TSC instances at all. 95% to 99% of the non-cloud computing that I utilize on BOINC would be on 24/7 anyway, so it follows the original intent of BOINC to not waste that part of the energy being used.

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